What’s So Bad About Smokeless Tobacco? It’s Not as Bad as Smoking Right?

If you do an internet search you’ll find articles that tell you how “safe” smokeless tobacco is… that couldn’t be further from the truth. They’ll tell you that the real danger to smoking is the “smoke” itself and the tobacco just isn’t dangerous – LIES!!!

Smokeless tobacco contains at least 3,000 chemicals, including many that you wouldn’t want in your body. Like all forms of tobacco, dip & chew contain nicotine, an addictive drug that gets you hooked on tobacco. Holding one pinch of smokeless tobacco in your mouth for 30 minutes delivers as much nicotine as 3-4 cigarettes.

In addition, at least 28 cancer-causing chemicals have been identified in smokeless tobacco, including:

  • nitrosamines – the most powerful cancer-causing agents in smokeless tobacco.
  • Smokeless tobacco contains from 20 to 43,000 times more nitrosamines than other consumer products, such as beer or bacon!
  • polonium 210 – a radioactive form of the element polonium
  • formaldehyde – a chemical found in the fluid used to preserve dead bodies
  • cadmium – a metallic element used in batteries
  • arsenic – a poisonous element used in insecticides

The use of smokeless tobacco can cause:

  • cancers of the mouth, pharynx (throat), and esophagus (the tube that carries food to the stomach)
  • shrinking of the gums around your teeth
  • cracked lips, white spots, sores, and bleeding in the mouth
  • increased risk for heart disease and stroke

Still think that smokeless tobacco isn’t dangerous?

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  1. I have a brother in law that does snuff and is about to get married to his fiancée soon and I am worried about him in addition he smokes and my father in law died a year ago from lung cancer and he chewed and smoked tobacco. On my side of the family cousins are dying off one at a time due to using tobacco products and it hurts me😢

  2. Quit yesterday for probably the 20th time. last time was the furthest I got — about two months. something happens after about 3-4 weeks clean from it where the concerns of what it could potentially do fade away and I decide I want the buzz again. Hoping it sticks this time. roughly a tin a day of grizzly wintergreen for the last 5 or so years. the problem is I don’t remember how bad it could be or feel that ‘guilt’ or fear after I go awhile without it.

    • Gotta want to quit and stay quit Trick. Sure, I can understand the want to return after some of the “healing” is thru…but truly, if you wanted to quit and stay quit, it can be done, this from a 30 year dipper…but you MUST want that. No one will keep you more honest than yourself. 3-4 weeks is not enough time to really evaluate a quit… I’d say do the 100 day challenge, then reassess. By that time, you will seriously be at a cross road, where you’ve put in enough time and probably won’t fuck it up. Sorry 4 the language, but I’m trying to make a point
      Good luck!
      -JP
      Day# 728 Free

    • You can do it honey I am rooting for you you are blessed you do not have to see your extended family dying one at a time due to this cursed product.

  3. I use to dip a can a day for 20yrs. I started vaping have successfully quit dipping for a year now.

    • Congrats Curtis. I hope you are vaping Nicotine Free? If not, you’ve traded one nicotine habit for another. If so, I commend you!!
      -JP
      Day#681 free of the poison

  4. Dipping is great for you. It taste dlicious and helps me. My daddy has been dipping for 43 years and aint had a damn problem.

    • I’m sure “daddy” is thrilled that his little boy is following in his footsteps. *sigh*

    • Hey, honest question. I just picked up dipping, is it really not a bad thing for most people? Or could someone just do it casually and not let it be a problem? Thanks for the honest feedback 🙂

      • New Dipper, it’s s terrible thing. There is nothing “healthy” about a nicotine addiction. There are no benefits to it. It rots your teeth. Makes your breath stink. Stains your fingers, clothing, home and auto upholstery. If you think using it “casually” isn’t bad, just ask all the veterans here, who have quit or are trying. No such thing as casual use. You start out thinking that way, but eventually you’ll get hooked. I never thought I would, but did.
        My honest feedback, get the hell away from the poison. There are better alternatives than smokeless tobacco. Sunflower seeds, gum, hard candy, hell, even the nicotine free fake dips are a MUCH better way to experiment with this horrible habit. You want my 30 year addicted to smokeless tobacco advice? Don’t mess with this shit.
        -JP
        Day #662 free of that junk

        • Actually there is recent studies that suggest nicotine may help improve memory and prevent diseases.

          • Please tell that to the millions who lose their lives from nicotine!

          • Actually nicotine is just like caffeine it’s addictive but if you actually want to know the truth look up dr rodu cigarettes cause 90 percent of mouth cancer but anything you eat contain chemicals like non oganic fruit you eat contain chemical that don’t kill you it’s the same dip it’s just a little amount of the same chemicals as the nonorganic fruits

          • Don’t think I’ve ever seen… was Dr. Rodu a user?

        • Only thirty years. I’ve been dipping since I was eight, no health problems. I am now 53, still dipping and enjoying it. My grandma used to chew, she died of old age. I have about seven extended family members, aunt’s and uncles pass from cancer caused by exposure to uranium. Three members who have had bypass. No one I know ever got cancer from dipping, or died thereof. I quit smoking, drinking alcoholic beverages, chasing fast women. Smoking, because I have children, stopped drinking because I was getting in trouble and spent many a nights howling at the moon between jail bars; often fell and skinned skin; was not able to catch the fast women.

      • I’ve been chewing Redman for more than 50 years and not just a little. I chew all day and half the night. I’m sick of it. I even chewed my way through college. It’s in my mouth and I can’t remember putting it there.
        It had its benefits at one time. It gets you fired up (increased heart rate) and keeps you there so I could work like a human buzzsaw on the ranch all day and seven days a week.
        I think I will make an effort to quit starting today. I’m sure I’ve been lucky so far. I’m a slave and I don’t like it.

      • You can’t do it casually. Trust me, you will get hooked.

      • I been dipping for 7 years a can a day and my and uncle did the same for 40 years and they both have no problems and my teeth and gums are still good to me people who get disease from dip its cause of poor higean cause I brush three times a day and white spots in the gums usually don’t last more than a week and all u have to do is wash with salt water every now and again and I know it ain’t the healthiest thing but I never heard of anyone during from dip I heard storys but no one I know died from it

    • As a dipper of 15 years I would definitely not say dipping is great for you

  5. I dipped Kodiak then Grizzly wintergreen for the last 20 years. I dropped it. But sadly not before the stuff stole my teeth, put a ulcer in my stomach. And destroyed my taste buds. I was able to stop by using nicotine gum then regular gum. It’s everyone’s choice to do whatever they want to. Just don’t let it do the damage it has to me. I still have my desires to dip but I have kids. And this stuff is like playing Russian Roulette. It may never kill you, You might wind up with half a head. Who knows? I don’t want to make anyone try and stop if there not ready, cause first it takes a willingness to.

    • My friend, there’s enough extensive research to deem vaping much safer. It has helped me more than you can imagine until you try it. I don’t mean that gas station crap. I mean real vape stores. Stores that tell you what ingredients they put in their liquids. I encourage you to do your own research on the subject. You don’t have to be a hipster to enjoy it’s benefits. And, believe it or not, it’s a much cheaper habit.

  6. I dipped for 6 months. I liked it but had to stop because every time I got a sore in my mouth I was scared that it was cancer. I looked at the sore everyday to make sure it wasn’t getting bigger. It stressed me out. It should be easy to stop so you don’t have to worry ever time you get a sore in your mouth that it could be cancer.

  7. CHEWIE, there are multiple sources that prove smokeless tobacco is a safer alternative to cigarettes. You are aware of Brad Rodu, but he isn’t the only one doing research over the subject. It’s called Tobacco Harm Reduction. I am sure you will over look this and resort to name calling similar to a child, but here are some references. http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq/smokelesstobacco.htm http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/21/2/245.full
    There are many more sources I can identify. As you can see, these sources claim it to be significantly safer than cigarettes. Most of them don’t endorse using it because people tend to use smokeless tobacco along with cigarettes. Full substitution is preferred.

    I am aware this forum is based on “the quit”, but this community is pushing false information.

    • Thanks for the info. I know all about Brad Rodu and I know all about the concept of harm reduction. I’m not going to debate whether smokeless is “safer” than cigarettes. It most likely is. Then again, a 9mm is probably “safer” than a 357. Pick your poison.

      My issue is when people (not you necessarily) suggest that smokeless is “safe”. It’s not. Period, end of story.

      • It’s not safe, it is “safer”

        • Thank you. I’m glad we agree. As I said above, my issue is when people mix up safe with safer. It’s a small distinction with potentially huge consequences.

          That said for me personally I always say that not being addicted to something is better than being addicted. It’s a choice that each user (quitter) needs to make for themselves.

      • straight fire dawg nice roast

  8. just dont dip for a couple of weeks itll go away, you got gator lip, so its not cancerous, its just like dead skin, your body will reproduce more, but try and switch up the spot in your mouth where you normally dip

    • Is this your professional medical / dental opinion?

      • My dentist actually told me that the method of switching sides is a safer way to use tobacco. I guess because one side isn’t getting 100% repeated exposure. This stuff is nasty and potentially dangerous no matter how much I enjoy it. It’s a strong addiction and it’s a big game of uncertainties. It can be very scary and it’s not worth the money, looming fear, or oral health degeneration. But I still do enjoy it.

        • Yeah, I was told the same thing, less damage to the tissues in there.
          The stuff is NASTY and IT IS Dangerous, not “potentially”. I also agree it’s a strong addiction (VERY strong). I was on it for just about 30 years. And it was probably one of the (probably THE) hardest things I ever did, was quit. That said, it is also the most rewarding thing I did. No more nasty-ass spitters laying around, no more nasty ass teeth and breath, even if I did give the teeth “special attention”. No more relying on a substance to get me through the tough times….I take all my problems head on these days. All this, yet I too, had enjoyed it for almost 30 years.
          There will come a time, when you no longer enjoy it and you will wonder “why” you still do it. By then, you’ll also realize the only reason(s) you still do it, is because you’re A.) Addicted to it and B.) You would fear life without it.
          When you get to that fork in the road, come back, plenty of people here have decided to be free of that shit and can help you get free.
          Take care,
          -JP
          Day #655 Free

  9. I’m sitting here at work reading all of this because right now my mind is craving a dip. Not just my mind, but body, twitching, entire leg tapping, head pressure, cant relax or concentrate because I don’t have Copenhagen. You all are arguing about this like a bunch of bickering idiots. The bottom line for me is I am addicted to it. What else makes me need it after a couple hours without use? Despite how harmful it is, and rest assured you morons defending it, it is worse to do than not to, no matter how you cut it. I want nothing to do with something that has me like that, and I’d rather spend my time, energy and money on things that propel me forward. what are the advantages of dip? The upsides and long term health benefits? To this site and its contributors, I’ve been dip free 5 weeks now, nicotine free 2 weeks, dipped since 2002. In these short weeks my heartburn has went down, my endurance (ice hockey) has went up, my intake of food has went up, my sleep pattern is improved, all the reasons to quit apply. No bottles laying around, runs to the gas station, freaking out, in bed, yuck mouth in the morning. It’s your choice to do or not, but the choice is obvious to me. And now I’ll never dip again, and never come back to this site again but appreciate the times reading the articles and being able to relate. It’s simple, don’t put that shit in your mouth no more.

  10. If someone wants to dip smoke or do stuff like that I think that they can and it is their body no one else’s so they can do as they want to not agreeing with doing it or not doing it but they are an addictive product

  11. Amen Faith in Jesus Christ saves us confess Jesus is Lord and He will be your savior the only sacrifice acceptable to God He can help us do anything.

  12. I have read comments here from many ppl I agree with some or most. I have to say what you have said is by far the most intersting post about quitting I have ever heard, and you know what you are right, the only thing that I can honestly state though we all are born into a very stressful and evil world, if we were to wake up each day thinking about what we are going to pass away from most ppl could say accidents, etc car, bicycle ppl get the idea. Which could be true maybe not. The one thing that I can relate to is your love of God. When I hear why you quit and what motivated you is what made me start thinking, why take that chance. Life is a game of chances and luck of the draw though, so you have to be strong willed and I do believe faith can help, before I finish this post I still believe hpv causes mouth cancer too that I know for a fact I did much erase arch on this subject too. So it’s about time somebody lays all the cards out their. I won’t stop loving my wife though, even though their could be risks. Capiece, God bless.

  13. It may kill hpv that’s an std on rise men catch in their mouths, woman can have it too. Cancer of the mouth can be caused by hpv look it up. No excuse to continue dipping, just saying anything can cause cancer now you can’t even eat or lick putang, what’s next apples are bad for mouth. Just live life to fullest, tomorrow is never a givin. Bye the way polonium,cadmium or used in chemo don’t be fooled.

    • Do you know what Chemo essentially does? It brings you to the brink of death in hopes of killing the cancer before it kills you. So yes, I’m SURE those chemicals are used in chemo. To help kill you. Chemo is not healthy. You see after chemo how all the patients begin to lose their hair, energy, appetite, and sometimes their will to continue? That should be enough to show you that polonium and cadmium are not “healthy”. They’re deadly.

      • Kudos Dylan…i just refuse to argue with ignorance on here. A beautiful forum, devoted to people wanting to quit, yet the addicts, afraid to deal with their own demons, use it to argue for the addiction. Quite sad.

      • Polonium and cadmium are also in broccoli, celery, and other vegetables. Using scary sounding substances, without checking if they are actually evident in unhealthy levels, lowers the credibility of your argument against chewing tobacco. Nevertheless, one should not be subservient to any product. If you are not in control of your relationship with tobacco, your will power will always be in self-doubt. Doubting one’s self is unhealthy. – This is a much stronger argument than naming a few scary sounding substances, which are found in vegetables, and are not harmful in the levels found in chewing tobacco.

        • Jake, if people were “in control of their relationship with tobacco” then their would be no addiction problems associated with its usage.
          My opinion, you don’t know what addiction is. Will power only comes in play when it’s time to stop addiction, it has nothing to do with the addiction to a chemical itself, namely, nicotine in this case.
          Sure, there are trace levels of toxic chemicals in many things we eat. But you arguing that point, is like arguing that eating lead based paint chips is ok too, because lead levels are very low in them. Tobacco, in any form, is not good for you. Idiots like yourself on this board, arguing it’s ok, if “you have control of it” is not only laughable, but also ignorant. Nicotine, in any form, is dangerous and could cost you your life. GYHOOYA.
          Get. Your. Head. Out. Of. Your. Ass.

  14. Hello everyone!
    My name is Mike and I’m 35 years old.
    I’ve been chewing for 18 years. I have gone through the on and off again thing with trying to quit. I’m kind of a hypochondriac so I’ve been to the doc a few times with a scare. But now for the past week I’ve had a dry patch on my lower lip. Now like I said I’ve chewed for 18 years so I know the dry wrinkles we get on our lip at times but I haven’t chewed in a week and it’s still there. So I will be going to the doc tomorrow. I’m just not feeling to confident about this visit. Also the worst thing in the world is trying to self diagnose on the net. It’s always either nothing or cancer …no in between!
    Just wondering if anyone has also gone through this dry spot thing or the unending worrying that keeps you up at night?

  15. MattM,
    Glad to hear you’ve reached the point where you’re sick of the smokeless tobacco. This is where I was too. I set a date, and quit.
    There are several GREAT alternatives available these days. Back when I tried quitting, AND FAILED, back in the 90’s, all that was available outside of smokeless tobacco, was Oregon Mint Snuff. And let me tell you, if that’s all that was available today, God Bless their hearts, I probably would of failed again.
    Let me start by saying I dipped Skoal Wintergreen Long cut for 20 of the 25 years I dipped. Before that, was Kodiak Wintergreen.
    As Chewy pointes out above/below, there are several good alternatives. Smokey Mountain is probably the most popular and available smokeless alternative on the market. I do think they have a very good product that definitely does the job, in a pinch! I am fond of the Wintergreen, Artic Ice (mint) and Straight flavors. Beware though, Smokey Mountain (Especially Wintergreen) is a bit sweet. But also remember, NOTHING will replace that shit you’ve stuffed in your cheek for years…this is not tobacco, but its close.
    Hooch probably has the #1 “feel” of tobacco out of all of them in my opinion. I bought a pack of all their flavors, and although Wintergreen was good, I felt SpitFire was by far the best one. That stuff was not Wintergreen at all, but it had a BURN to it that made you constantly spit. It was by far my favorite of their line-up.
    BACOff was interesting, it had a good feel too it, but it didn’t seem to generate much juice or flavor.
    Next, I tried all the Golden Eagle line up, I would say that Wintergreen tied with Cinnamon being the best of their flavors. That product is really fine cut and gritty though, I am more of a long cut guy.
    I ventured from their to the stuff named Elicit. Now their stuff is ULTRA fine cut. It reminded me of original Skoal or Cope. Not the flavor, but the cut/texture was very close to it. The flavor was VERY good. I only tried their Wintergreen, and I was really, REALLY impressed with it. They have a few others too, but I only tried their Wintergreen.
    This is the part where I need to tell you that some companies out there that make these Herbal chews, sell them with and without Nicotine. Elicit (and my next brand I will share) is one of them. I have not (and will not) try anything that contains Nicotine ever again. I think they offer the products to get you used to the flavor at Full Strength, then you can change to Half Strength, then to Zero Strength. I never did it that way, since this site and most all of the people here, elect to go cold turkey! Get that shit out of your system right away! But Elicit offers it with and Without Nicotine. All of my reviews are WITHOUT or ZERO STRENGTH…no more Nicotine with this guy!
    The last one and by far my Favorite is Triumph Herbal Chew. This stuff is wonderful. I have used it here and there since I’ve quit tobacco (535 days now). It is crushed Mint Leafs with added flavoring. The stuff is an excellent, EXCELLENT alternative to tobacco. And if they ever decide to take on a talking head in Michigan, I will help them spread the word. I will share a story. I was at a bar with some friends the night before Christmas Eve, this year. Some other guys were with us and they were handing a tin of Grizzly around the table. I had a can of “Classic” flavored Triumph on me, since when I drink, I do like to have a pinch at the end of the night. Well, I took out my can and tossed it on the table. A few cracked it and decided to take a pinch, they all were SHOCKED at how good this stuff was. They were also surprised it was Nicotine and Tobacco Free! Then they wanted to know where it came from and if I was a salesman, LOL!! No, I am not a salesman, but I do think that that stuff CAN help dippers get free from tobacco, it is that good in my opinion, I believe in it! Free shipping too!
    I have tried a couple others, Holt, which is made from Alfalfa, and its made out in Montana, in a town my Mother lives in. She knows the owner and when she came back for a visit, she knew I quit and brought me a can to sample. It was ok, didn’t have much peppermint flavor as it indicated on the lid. And I tried all of Jake’s Mint Chews as well, I like the cranberry one the best. Those too are mint leaf based and I already outlined who I thought had the best Mint product above…and it ain’t even close! BE SURE YOU ARE USING ZERO STRENGTH!! I will never, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER….use Nicotine again, I am FREE!
    Anyway, that’s my novel for the end of 2015. All you guys keep punching away, you CAN be free from Tobacco. And like DeepyDeeDon’t mentions, if you’re thinking about doing it, take the plunge, you CAN do it. He just crossed his 100 day challenge a couple weeks ago (proud of you bro), you can too!
    Happy New Year Quitters and I hope I have helped someone today!
    -JP
    Day #535 FREE of that SHIT!

  16. JayP
    I am going to quit as soon as this can of pouches are gone! Im 31 and I have been dipping Kodiak and only Kodiak Wintergreen for 17 years solid. My gums became a little sore lately, so i decided its time. I switched to pouches to begin the process. No way I was going cold turkey…too many activities and stress at work to just drop it cold. However I feel like Im ready…What are the fake chews out there that have a taste similar to the wintergreen that i can shoot for to aid me in my difficult quest?? Thanks man and good deal on your 13 months!!

  17. As a dipper I agree that like any addictive vice there are associated risks. However,the major point of Dr. Rodu’s research is that smokeless tobacco is so much safer that calling the difference significant is barley adequate in quantifying just how much safer it is, Furthermore,almost all companies that produce dip are parented by larger big tobacco companies that still rely on cigarettes as the primary source of income. This at the very least makes Dr. Rodu a polarizing figure to them, if not a true opponent. I understand the logic that they may rather have people using some variant of their products then none at all, but he is also certainty no Nick Naylor (A fictional Rep of a aggressively biest lobbyist. I am adamantly against candy like tobacco flavors as i am towards any ploy to hook in minors but the fact of the matter is that as long as we are a free country people are going to do what they want, and if a smoker who is unwilling to quit but would be open to switching if they were not under the impression that dip was any less risky, then depriving them of this documented reality is a true disservice to public health.

  18. Thanks for the info folks. I’m 27 and I’ve smoked for the past 12 years. I switched to dip a couple months ago, because I was getting tired of coughing up all that gray lung butter. It’s just been so convenient in comparison to not have to go outside to have a smoke, and it’s cheaper, but I’m already starting to see the damage inside of my mouth. I think I’ll quit after reading this. I never thought of it as an addiction. It was something I thought I enjoyed doing.

  19. Jimmy Cap,
    Scared? Where did I say I was “scared of Leukoplakia”? What I said is it is pre-cancerous (which it is), but whatever, I guess your mute logic has me down for being scared.
    The size of my balls aside, what I actually “think”, based on your ‘Keyboard Warrior’ post, is that it’s you that is “scared” to face his own addiction.
    Maybe some day, when you’re no longer weak and dependable on that old can of “manliness” (or maybe grow a pair balls like mine), you’ll drum up the courage to face your demons.
    Oh yeah, and on the butt-hurt rant of the infamous “Doctor Rodu”…If Big Tobacco (who is your current Master), pays a doctor to write “research” a different way (Pro-Tobacco), it tells me the man has an agenda…to fill his own pockets. But I wouldn’t expect you to fully understand the ins and outs of how things work, since you’ve displayed so much ignorance in that terribly written post below.
    I appreciate your envious views of me…it feels wonderful to be hated by an addict!
    Happy Holidays Stretch-Nutts!
    -JP
    Day #522 Free of that SHIT

  20. Thank You!!! I’ll continue to enjoy chewing while you enjoy your “freedom” lol. I bet you’ve never chewed once in your life. I am also glad to know the reason for dr rodus finances! I bet you are a close personal friend of his!

  21. Jayp, u have the worst fucking logic ever. What scares you about Leukoplakia? The fact that it has a .6% cancer rate, or the fact that it makes your gums a little white. You seem like you think you have “the biggest balls” because you quit chewing! I’m sorry, but chewing is one of the most manly things on this planet. Dr Rodu doesn’t get a bunch of money for personal profit from tobacco companies, but rather for his research, so he can show how sickly misinforming cancer sites, or how biased the facts on sites such as this one are. This site just showed a few statistics o try to scare us. Who gives a fuck if their is chemicals in chew or dip. There’s fucking chemicals in ice cream!!! Please don’t tell me that your so goddamn liberal that you wouldn’t give your kid fucking ice cream!!! If you believe all of this bullshit, I am proud of you for quitting, but if you were as manly and “properly educated” as you sat you are, and loved dipping as much as you say you did, and you quit, then you are either very fucking stupid or gullible

    • You lost me at “chewing is one of the most manly things on this planet.”

      And when you followed up suggesting you have knowledge of Dr. Rodu’s finances you pretty much lost all credibility. Enjoy your addiction. I’ll enjoy my freedom.

    • Your a dumbass the most manlyst thing is quitin

  22. These chemicals you listed in tobacco are present in many different plants. Potatoes even contain some nicotine. Scare tatics at their best. Also, the risk of oral cancer with ST is extremely small. Do your research. Especially in the state of West Virginia and the country of Sweden. These articles ares written by people who are against something others are doing and they want them to stop.

    • As opposed to many of the other posters here, I’m not here to discourage the effort of people attempting to quit. In fact, I support just the opposite. However, I do value the truth on things as important as addiction, and the possibility of someone contracting cancer, very highly. That is why I believe it is important to at least inform people on the findings of people like Dr. Rodu. While some may claim (as many of you already have) that Dr. Rodu is bought and paid for by tobacco companies, my understanding is that he simply uses their funds to support his reasearch. In other words, he doesn’t pocket any money that they donate. From his research he has concluded a variety of things. One, that nitrosamines (cancer causing chemicals) in smokeless tobacco today are at historically low levels. Levels that he believes are nearly innefective in concluding that there is a significant risk for cancer from using smokeless tobacco. Another of his conclusions was that leukoplakia in smokeless tobacco users only turns to cancer in a very small percentage of instances. In fact his research shows that it causes cancer in a ratio of a range from 0.6 to 1.7. This means that at worst, ST wouldn’t cause even a double in risk for mouth cancer. With all of this said, there is still no doubt that ST isn’t healthy, as it still causes gum recession, addiction, and a slight raise in blood pressure.

      • This is stupid. You come to a website aimed at cutting nicotine addiction, only to blab the other way about how chewing tobacco has lower levels of carcinogens these days. To you know of stupid that looks? “Duhhhhh, Dr Rodu doesn’t take, Duhhhhh, any money for his own keepings, Duhhhhh..only for research, Duhhhhh”
        Seriously, are you the Doctor’s accountant? Do you have the inside track on his financials? The dude is Big Tobaccos Talking Head.
        You may not “think” you’re not here to talk about the benefits of chewing tobacco and how you don’t encourage it, but you did both above.
        Nice try, but you’re view has more holes in it than a spaghetti strainer.

        • He has a DOCTORATE IN ORAL PATHOLOGIES????? HE IS A MEDICAL DOCTOR WHO SPECIALIZES IN ORAL DISEASES AND CANCERS?????? He obviously has the skills and knowledge to run tests and find statistics that you can’t. Frankly, I think that since he finds things that upsets you because it’s not what you want to hear, you guys attack him. When Dr. Rodu is the when with the proof that he has been awarded his certificate to practice AS A MEDICAL DOCTOR!

          • Joe, I don’t care what his credentials are. If you look at the website you’re visiting at this moment (more like Trolling), it’s one for people that have quit (like myself, thanks to this site) and for the people considering a quit.
            You, like many others on this particular page, want to try and argue the benefits (which there are none) of changing one nicotine addiction, for another “safer”, nicotine addiction. It makes no difference to me if a doctor (who big tobacco supports by the way) thinks switching from a smoking habit, to a smokeless tobacco habit is safer. It’s still an addiction, something this wonderful place aims at informing people on. Nicotine, smokeless, smoking, snorting, or sticking it up your ass….I don’t care what your flavor is pal, it’s an addiction and no addiction is good. If you want to further argue your useless point than I will just consider you another addict, who isn’t ready to quit yet.
            I mean, I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here Joe, but arguing addictions are good, makes me wonder if you should have your attic checked for bat shit droppings or lead paint exposure.

  23. Let us play Chemistry Shall we?

    Formaldehyde: Used to embalm dead bodies
    Benzene: Found in gasoline
    Polonium 210: Radioactive and very toxic
    Vinyl chloride: Used to make pipes
    Chromium: Used to make steel
    Arsenic: Used in pesticides
    Lead: Once used in paint
    Cadmium: Used to make batteries
    Hydrogen cyanide: Used in chemical weapons
    Ammonia: Used in household cleaners
    Butane: Used in lighter fluid
    Toluene: Found in paint thinners

    Now I am not saying you should Dip, but you should have the right to do it if you want to. BRILLIANT!! This type of logic shines.
    (Source: Centers for disease control and prevention).

  24. I understand that Tobacco in any form is bad for you. And all of the chemicals harm your body in the worst ways. I have been dipping for four years because my friends did and I got addicted so I just havent felt the need to stop, but I feel like the chemicals all have diffrent effects on different people. See we are all unique in so many ways and our bodies can actually creat their own anti bodies to fight chemicals which can cause harmful diseases in our bodies to cause cancer and other sorts of long term diseases. Its really just a matter of how well your body reacts to these chemicals. I am not saying you should but the reason their are so many different oppinions on this is because some people are not affected in the same way. Just use it at your own risk because most people do end up with mouth lung and throat cancer from dipping or smoking.

    • Did any of this really need to be said? I mean, this is a QUIT FORUM. Not a “Use dip, but beware” Forum. I mean, most people here want to hear about the success stories of the quitter. Not some long drawn out opinion on how everyone’s body is different and will respond differently to the chemicals. Maybe I am just a little “chippy” today, but WHY people feel the need to pollute this wonderful place with there PRO-TOBACCO views.
      Ultimately, the shit is bad for you in any form. Pony up the balls and drop the habit.
      -JP

  25. Look i dip my uncle dipped till he died but it wasnt from dipping. my grandfather and grandmaw dip and they had no problem and there is a doctor that wrote a book call how smokeless tobacco can save ur life.

    • Wait… hold the phones. There’s a BOOK written about it? It’s gotta be true.

      Would you like to borrow my copy of The Mullet: Hairstyle of the Gods?

      • LMAO!!!! A Foreword by Brian Bozworth….
        Hmmm, so smoking is terrible and Smokeless Tobacco where its at.
        I will say, that “back in Grandpa and Grandmas day”…it was thought that chewing was safer than smoking. Thus one of the main reasons my Grandpa ditched the smokes and started dipping. We know this not to be true today.
        I think if you look deeper into that “doctor” opinion on smokeless tobacco, you’ll find a secret agenda…like perhaps the dude was paid (by Big Tobacco) to state that? Maybe?
        I will never be convinced that ANY form of tobacco is safe….and furthermore, its pretty dam stupid to try coming to a place like this to state such a ridiculous claim.
        Time to take a BIG whiff of what you’re shoveling pal.

        • He goes on to say the Tobacco Company have ZERO say in what he publishes. Maybe if you get out of the tunnel you are in and listen to somebody else you would learn something. Smokeless tobacco is 100x safer than smoking tobacco. #DBH

          • Maybe if you got your head out of that tunnel called your ass, you’d see tobacco, in any form, is harmful. I chose smokeless over cigarettes because I was an athlete. But that didn’t make it “better” or as you say “100x safer”. Tobacco is Tobacco, clown. In any form, its addictive and NOT healthy for you. Tobacco in any form has to its plus and minus…what one form will do to the body, the other wont. But seriously…There isn’t a reputable source anywhere, stating ANY form of tobacco is “healthy”…They’re all bad for you. C’mon man….

          • i 100% support u on that one sir

      • Why should we believe anything you’re saying? Dr. Rode has credentials to prove that he graduated from medical school and studies oral pathologies? He studies thing such as cancers of the mouth for living? You’re just some dude who started up a website?

        • You don’t have to believe anything anyone says, me included. I chewed over a can a day for 18 years. Then I quit. I relay what happened to me personally. Just as using is a choice (that I fully support) quitting is a choice (which I also support). What information you choose to believe or ignore is 100% up to you.

          • Honestly man, if you dipped a can a day that’s your own fucking problem. I’ve dipped for seven years and never even came close to a can a day. Two, maybe three dips a day is all a person needs, at most. Don’t push your own problems on me, Chewie. You’re own inability to have self control is, once again, YOUR OWN FUCKING PROBLEM. And for those that have any interest in cannabis and live in a state where Medical MJ is legal, I would look into the anti-tumor properties present in MJ. It can save you a hell of a lot of worry, especially when Chewie and other jackasses are pushing their own addiction problems on you. Adios, amigos. Bout to go pack a fatty.

          • I’m not pushing any agenda. Remember… you sought this site out, not the other way around. Enjoy your fatty.

          • One more question, do you drink alcohol Chewie?

          • Finally, the fact that my comments require moderation shows what kind of agenda this website pushes. Do you believe in free speech? If not, get the hell out of my country.

          • I absolutely believe in free speech. But I also believe in civil conversation. Hence the reason for moderation. Thank you for validating that decision.

    • You’re an idiot & a troll Justin.

    • Yes that book is good helped me quit smoking now I dip

  26. I have chewed a can a day for 14 years, I just recently quit this june. the issue I had was the extream headaches I told my self it would go away after a few weeks but it never stoped so I would smoke a ciggarette which seemed to work now im chew free but smoke ciggarettes. I cant seem to kick the habbit I work at a prison and everyone around me chews and smokes.

    • Dude, drop the smokes, pickup some fake dip. Checkout the review section. Seeds, candy, gum, you gotta have something to chew on. Unless you cold turkey it, you’re only trading nicotine vices.

      • I was reading this post. And I’ve been dipping for about a year now and see some nasty shit going on in my mouth and I’m trying to quit. And just wanna share some tips for those who do dip. 1. If you dip cope or Kodak or anything with a lot of nicotine start dippin skoal for a little bit to get your body used to the low nicotine then start having less and less dips a day. 2. Go to the store or a gas station and get the beef jerky chew that’s what I’ve been doin and just throw a lip in of that and suck on it. 3. Pick up on some other habits maybe like drinking cokes or pops or chewing seeds or some other bullshit. Thought this might help.

    • I got to agree with DanO…you can’t quit one form of nicotine, only to start another form. The quitters t has to come from deep within. You have to not care people around you dip and smoke. This is all about you, probably the only thing you can be greedy as hell about, this isn’t about your Mom and Dad, about your Coach or Players, not about your wife or kids, its about YOU! ALL YOU. I know its tough to be around dippers. My toughest part of my quit, was being around people that dipped like I used to. And yeah, when I dipped, I also smoked when I drank. So I know what it’s like to be hot boxing a pack of smokes is too. Though this was a secondary habit to my preferred chewing habit, it was something I took part in as well.
      All I can say, if you want to be free, you got to drop the chemical. Whether it be a dip, cig or piece of nicorette/patch…you’re still in the nicotine cycle. Grab some seeds, gum, fake dip, toothpicks…hell, I even heard of someone using a cotton ball as a dip! Anything to NOT use nicotine…we all want to help out here Louis!!
      Good Luck and reach out to the board!!
      -JP

  27. I quit chewing 2 years ago… Mother of the unseen, I want to go back to it sometimes…

    But I remember the hell it was. Rob you of your energy with all of the chemicals, continually fearing carcinoma, money burnt…

    As much as I would like to relapse, I figure there has to be something better.

    • Quentin…I have been quit myself for just over a year now. Ain’t non going back for me. In fact…I feel the fake alternatives are so good these days, if in want a dip, that’s the route I will go. I feel I have way, WAY too much invested in my quit, it would be down-right stupid of me to return now. No looking back for me…and you have a year on me…keep quit, you’re a hero to me and is why I will continue my quit.
      ‘Quit4Life’
      -JP

    • Is it really bad i onky have done it 4 times

  28. You come here for one of two reasons. #1, you have some kind interest in quitting dip. I’ve read it more than once here, you ain’t here by accident. Or #2, you’re just trolling. Simple to me. I Googled fake dip or something like that and this page popped up. BOOM, I’m now over 150 days dip free. I’m just speaking for me here, Chewie may not give a rip why you’re here as long as you’re here. But who cares in the end I guess, look around & see what’s going here, good stuff.

  29. If you feel you should stay away from dipping then that’s great… But I think in this day and age we try to tell other people how to live their life way too often. Also me one who lives in West Virginia I know hundreds of people who dip and have never heard of them having a problem. People know the risk. Let them be adults and make their own choices without guilting them into living like you do.

    • I’m not guilting anyone into quitting. If you want to use it’s 100% your right to use. We are providing information for people that want to quit. Don’t like it, don’t read it. Pretty simple.

      • Iv’e been chewing for what seems an eternity and at my age of 65 I believe it is effecting my health- I want to quit but am just too non committal at present-
        I quit smoking several times-5 years on 5 years off- Have been clean for 6 years and will NEVER smoke again-makes me sick just thinking about it!
        But chew, now that is A different breed of cat- I just can’t imagine getting up in the morn without A dip- A can A day for years and years- I need to quit but am having trouble summoning the will- I sometime believe that chew helps me concentrate and that is A good thing for me as I have has ADD my entire life-
        Has anyone here that has quit find it harder to concentrate????

        • Stubones, one day at a time. Look at the fake dips, may help. Check in here & participate. A lot of good people here like you, we all have one thing in common, we let nicotine control us & make us their bitch. Make nicotine your bitch. In my best Arnold voice…… C’MON, DO IT….. 🙂

          • Try to imagine what your habit looks like to those who don’t have it. The spit, the really bad breath (and I do mean bad!), the sound of your spitting. I used to smoke, and it’s hard to quit, but you can do it if you think of everything I mentioned, never mind the thought of half your face missing possibly.

        • To answer your question, yes, it definitely affected my concentration. I’d sit around & tap my foot like a crackhead needing some crack early in my quit. I’m 5 months nicotine free. I know it sounds like a generic answer, but it will get better, just gotta gut it out.

          • Stubones49,
            Definitely…it affects your concentration, especially when you quit! You’ll get so foggy for the first week or so then it will slowly lift. 3 days is what they say it takes to rid your body of nicotine, the rest, is just fighting the urge to return to it.
            I am 1 year and 22 days free of the smokeless tobacco. I chewed heavily for 20 years and on and off the 5 years prior to that. 25 years I spent shoving that shit in my face! What a waste!
            As Dan says above, you got to gut it out, it DOES get better. My favorite mind motivating line was “This too…shall pass”. Every time I started bugging for a dip, I relaxed, took a deep breath and said this to myself. Within a few minutes…the urge passed. I also used almost every single fake dip available…sunflower seeds too!
            You will have that oral fixation for a while. Theses days… I catch myself missing days that I didn’t take any fake dip. And my consumption of seeds has began to drop too. It all takes a while…so the sooner you get started on “Killing the Can” the sooner you can begin the healing. And we’re all here to help!
            DanO…congrats 5 months free of that poison, that is quite the accomplishment.. proud of you man! Keep up your fight, you are well qualified now to beat the cravings into submission!
            Take care folks!
            -JP

          • Thanks JP, guys like you & the other quitters help alot. If you had told me 5 months ago that I’d be dip free today I would have laughed my ass off and shoved the big wad of Apple Skoal in my lip. My how times have changed.

        • Definitely, it’s the main reason I still dip.

        • me too. i don exactly have ADD but im always all over the place. perhaps the author of this site has good intentions. problem is that campaigning for the complete removal without providing an alternative is not very helpful. chances of relapse would be pretty high. i admit, there’s nothing sexy about dipping as compared to smoking. mayb its just in my own perverted world. but i also know smoking kills. so as a smoker for 8years, ive ‘quit’ habitual smoking for about 2years even since dipping. i still smoke, albeit socially. when i wana score some chicks. ok so my point here, is about tobacco harms reduction. you opponents able to strike some middle-ground? or still sticking to prohibitionist stance?

          • Shawn,
            I never took the “Prohibtionist Stance” (is that even a term, haha?) I just stopped using nicotine. Your substitutes are simple, ANYTHING that doesn’t contain nicotine. I used almost every single non-tobacco/non-nicotine herbal chew available. I consider myself a “pro” when it comes to those fake dips. And I did that on purpose, I wanted to find one that worked for me, so I wouldn’t have chance of relapse. I found one (or a few actually) and I also used sunflower seeds like they were never going to be produced again.
            Currently, I am 1 year and 90 days removed from smokeless tobacco, with NO intentions on ever returning to it. I have trimmed my consumption of sunflower seeds down to about 1 bag per week (it was 1 to 1 and a half, per day at the beginning) and about 1 fake dip every 10 days…or longer. A can lasts me for almost 6 weeks now. I was smashing a can a day of that fake shit at the beginning.
            The key to the quit, besides having a big set of brass balls to beat off the triggers, is finding an alternative that does not contain nicotine! Plain and simple.
            And I will agree to disagree, I don’t find anything “sexy” about smoking. I cannot stand the smell of someone who just torched down a cancer stick. And seeing a “chick” smoking, yeah, it compares to finding a rotten apple in a grocery store, I will look for a fresher one!
            Good Luck on your quit, the only way to get moving is without nicotine…HASHTAG TOUGHLOVE!
            -JP

    • Got to agree, isn’t no one out here “telling” anyone what to do. This is a quit forum. If you’ve got the balls (or guts, for the women quitters) to quit, come here, we’ll support you. If you don’t, that’s your choice, go do your thing, but do it elsewhere!

      • Exactly it’s a quit forum. So the information is very biased. Granted there are people out their on the other side which say dip helps prevent oral cancer which is bs and very one sided also. The information used to scare people to quit like this site really almost makes me want to dip even more, kindof does the opposite of its intentions. Honestly i just hate being controlled by something so much that is a part of me. That sucks. Props to everyone on this site who is tobacco free, lots of will power and thats very respectable. Addicted since 13 and still can’t ditch it (18 now).

        • So you’re dipping out of spite at this point? Um… OK.

          I hate to say it, but I think age is coming into play here. Excuse the phrase, but I was young and dumb once too.

          When you’re ready… we’ll be here.

        • Well….when you’re ready, come back. There are 25k members at this wonderful place and guess what? We were all where you are right now. Scared to make a commitment to quitting, but at least “thinking” about it. I give you props for at least taking a look around, shows me you’re thinking about quitting. I was an addict of smokeless tobacco for 25 years…now a year and 80+ days removed. It’s a wonderful thing to be free of that shit….but I was where you were at one time. At 18, you’re only 5 solid years in…blink and it’ll be 25/years later! Where does the time go? Good luck!
          -JP

    • I live in Redneck Country in Fl & I guarantee you there’s more dippers here per capita than anywhere in the world. Makes no difference though. You wanna dip, stuff 5 cans a day in your face. But when you get to your mid 40’s like me & you realize you aren’t bullet proof & you have a dentist that tells you the horrors oral cancer, you heed their & advice & walk away. So you coming to a quit dipping website & bellyaching about your right to choose dip is pretty ignorant.

  30. But wasn’t you just saying let people do what they want? So why are you saying “get of your dip is great chair”.

  31. How does it invalidate anything else I say? I’m sorry I have control of myself and just associate chewing with boredom and work? It’s all on how you think of it. I told myself to not let it control me and guess what it doesn’t. I can go a day without doing it without being on edge or have anxiety because I haven’t had a pinch all day. Mindset is the key.

    • If you can truly put it down and it doesn’t bother you then consider yourself lucky. For an addict that recognizes he’s an addict (like myself) it’s not that simple.

      Mindset IS the key. I recognize addict speak when I see it because I did it for years. Saying you’ve “quit” several times before is 100% addict speak. You’ve stopped. You’ve never quit. “Quit” is final.

      http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/12/change-your-vocabulary/

      It may sound like I’m being nit picky with the language here… I am. As you say… it’s mindset. With us, “quit” is forever. “Stopping” is temporary.

      Like you, I have 100% control over myself. Could I have one chew after all this time and not go back? Possibly. But I’m not willing to take that chance. That’s a slippery slope and it’s addict speak that I’m not willing to entertain. Making THAT decision puts me in control.

      • In all honesty. Once a dipper always a dipper. You seem like a very English oriented person with all your fancy grammar. Cancer in my opinion is luck of the draw. I, myself, have more family members that have gotten cancer and never used tobacco once. They in my opinion were actually health freaks. And I know people who smoke like chimneys, still kicking at the age of 89. Too much water can kill you so obviously to much tobacco can kill you. Addictive? Yes. Satisfying, very. I served 2 deployments in Afghanistan and nothing relaxed my mind more than a dip after a gunfight. So you can take your fancy talk, and get out. In my eyes, you don’t need to make people’s life decisions for them.

        SCREW CHEWIE

        • First off… a sincere “thank you” for your service. We may disagree (as I’ll get to shortly) but you’ve got my utmost gratitude.

          As for “once a dipper alway a dipper”. That’s just plain wrong. I was once a dipper and now I’m a quitter. Damn proud of it too.

          As for your opinion of cancer being the luck of the draw… you’re absolutely entitled to it. I have NEVER, as far as I can recall, tried to make someone’s decision for them. If you know of a case where this isn’t so please let me know so I can address it.

          It is 100% your right to use these products as I said here: http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/05/the-rights-of-a-dipper/ There are some anti-tobacco folks out there that DO scream from the treetops that “everyone should quit” and that “all these products should be banned”. I’ve never been one of those people. Again, please point me to where this isn’t the case. I’ve been doing this nearly 10 years now and I believe I’ve been pretty consistent.

          Thanks again. ~ Screw Chewie

        • Dipper, it’s a proven fact tobacco use increases your tendency to get oral cancer, it says it right on the side of the can. Not sure why all of the hostility towards Chewie. This isn’t a site where people are coddled, the truth hurts sometimes. To echo words from this site, you’re here for a reason, I don’t think KTC went out & recruited.

          • You know the Swedish have used smokeless tobacco and cannot trace it to mouth cancer? You drink pop? Pop has carcinogens in it, so does lunch meat. It heightens getting cancer by a few percent. Smoking is definitely a lot worse then ST because that film coats your mouth and doesn’t leave for a while whereas ST doesn’t do that. I agree with only one label on my dip can and that it can cause tooth loss. That is the only one that I agree with. They can’t put a warning label on there that tells you that you will get cancer.

          • @JPrice….Sweden’s population….9.7 Million
            US Population…325 Million PLUS!
            Apples to bowling balls son, apples to bowing balls….
            “Smoking is definitely a lot worse then ST because that film coats your mouth and doesn’t leave for a while whereas ST doesn’t do that”
            Are you seriously that naïve? Smokeless Tobacco DOES leave a film in your mouth, its called Luekeoplakia:
            The presence of white or gray colored patches on your tongue, gums, roof of your mouth, or the inside of the cheeks of your mouth may be a sign of leukoplakia. The patch may have developed slowly over weeks to months and be thick, slightly raised, and may eventually take on a hardened and rough texture.
            I think you have a serious learning disorder if you dismiss this problem that is directly related to Smokeless Tobacco…seriously buddy, if BS was music, you’d have a few gold records by now.
            I dipped for 25 years and the last 10, they labeled the cans clearly, “this product can cause mouth cancer”….your statements are so incredibly stupid, I am surprised the MOD guy lets them through! But hey, you can’t argue with stupid….

        • I don’t understand why you are on A site that’s sole purpose is to aid people in quitting chew and you are ragging them- What is your purpose? What is your point?

        • wow you’re stupid

  32. My friend step dad been dipping for 60 years in he still do
    in he have no problems so stfu in stop being stupid

  33. “Chewie” sure is salty about all of this. I’m too lazy to look it up but there is a peer reviewed journal publication (i.e. Not simply an online article) that says cancer is basically luck of the draw. Yes, excessive use of any bad chemical is bad for your body. But to say that it will lead to cancer is to say driving a car will lead to a serious car crash.

    While I advocate for people to quit, I just suggest that you review all of the articles out there. Not just the ones that support your claims.

    • When you’re not too lazy to look it up I’d be happy to read it. Until then I’ll keep track of the trolls.

      Love,
      Screw Chewie

    • Here we go…the “car crash comparison”…sigh….
      That is quite possibly the stupidest comparison on the board, and it must be used by the same person, because its used over and over by “new” users. “IF” there were as many dippers in America, as there are drivers, then this could possibly be used. Again, this is an Apples and Bowling Ball comparison…NOT Apples to Apples.
      But hey…what ever works to attempt you have a valid argument…and a brain.
      You should take some of your own advice, do some better research, find something that compares to one another, car crash victims and smokeless tobacco users, who contract cancer, DO NOT give anyone an accurate sample size.
      This doesn’t support YOUR claim.
      I’m sure The US Tobacco Company is looking for a person in denial like yourself.

      • People die from car crashes more then people dying from smokeless tobacco. So it would be an apple to apples comparison.

        • But there are FAR more drivers in the world than there are Smokeless Tobacco users. Take a stats course, that is, if you’re out of High School….if you want to use statistics, you need to use comparable data.
          That you are comparing car crash fatalities to people who contract cancer from using smokeless tobacco and die, IS NOT fair and comparable data. Thus, you are NOT comparing apples to apples, you are comparing apples and bowling balls kid.
          Seriously, you don’t sound very educated to be out here arguing this useless point….again, no sense in arguing with stupidity.

  34. I got a question, why if dip is so bad for you why is there so many smoking commercials and not a single dip commercial?

    • Not sure what you’re saying.

      There hasn’t been a smoking commerical allowed on television since the Public Health Cigarette Smoking Act went into effect on January 2, 1971. This act is the same reason you don’t see dip commericals though the smokeless tobacco clause of the act didn’t kick in until 1986.

  35. What happened to Freedom of Choice

    It doesn’t matter if smokeless tobacco is bad for you or not. What matters is that people have the right to do what they want. People that don’t like what others do need to stop trying to control them. Everyone is different with there likes and dislikes and that’s the way it should be. Is someone wants to use dip so be it. It’s not your body so leave it be.

    • Who’s trying to control someone? As far as I know we’re not saying “everyone needs to quit”. You’re right… it’s absolutely a person’s choice to use or not to use. It’s also their right to accept whatever consequences might come from that choice.

    • “People have the right to do what they want”
      Exactly!!
      For Example, people have the right, to start an awesome, FREE, “quit smokeless tobacco” blog like Kill The Can. You know, for people who no longer want to be a slave to nicotine? Last time I checked, there wasn’t anyone “trying to control” me here. Facts are Facts, Tobacco is BAD! There isn’t a Doctor in America that will tell you otherwise.
      You obviously are an apologist for all the nicotine addicts in the world & that’s your right. Perhaps you should go start your own crusade. Maybe your own blog? You know, one that talks about how cool brown teeth, bad breath and receding gums are?
      Just a thought from a person that was an addict or 25 years and is almost a year free from the habit, thanks in large part to this blog here. I will say a prayer for you “Freedom of Choice”
      -JP
      Day #330

      • You are wrong about tobacco being bad for you. It’s how they add all the additives to it that makes it bad. If I had a tobacco plant and dried the leaves out and smoked the leaves it would be better then smoking normal cigarettes.

        • You are wrong, coming to a “quit smokeless tobacco” blog, arguing how nutritious tobacco is. I am glad I am free of that stuff, additives or not, it feels wonderful to be away from it. You must be a tobacco farmer? Hahahaha….Kill the Can is Killing your pockets! I love it….

    • Yes, people can do what they want, but when it interferes with relationships, that sucks. I have to deal with a husband that sneaks it, and because of this, is always gone. I also have to deal with a terrible mouth to kiss. It ruins relationships.

  36. Smokeless tobacco does not raise your risks SIGNIFICANTLY of oral cancer. According to the ACS, 39,500 cases of oral cancer will occur. that is 0.012 percent of the population. The risk is so low, that it is difficult to even find risks of non users compared to users. Check out tobaccoharmreduction.org for some great statistics. Im tired of this misinformation. If you are going to give information, give the facts, and stop showing us propaganda of teens getting it (which, in all likely hood in those cases cancer was not caused by their dipping habits) and give us some hard numbers and statistical data.

    • Hey Jim,
      Do you work for Phillip Morris or the U.S. Smokeless Tobacco Company?
      Stop hiding behind your real agenda out here….I’m on to you pal!

      • Look up Dr. Rodu. I have read his book from cover to cover. It is based on how smokeless tobacco can save your life if youre a smoker. What smoking does it leave a film on your lungs but it also coats the inside of your mouth. Which is difficult to remove. Whereas smokeless tobacco doesn’t leave a film over your teeth, gums or cheek. So those chemicals don’t have a long ass time to sit their and do continued damage after you’ve removed the pinch. 500-600 people out of 100k die or get diagnosed with oral or esophageal cancer. 36 people out of 100k get oral or esophageal cancer from chewing tobacco. Also to prevent furthering the chance of cancer while doing tobacco products is not to drink. My grandfather just got done getting a whole in his throat for smoking and drink since the age of 9 or 10. Parents found it funny to make him get drunk as a kid and watch him stumble. Fucked up shit but whatever. The chance of getting cancer from chewing tobacco is the same risk as getting it from processed lunch meat. Processed lunch meat has 7 cancer aiding agents in it. I bet you didn’t know that. Only way to eat healthy is to plant and harvest foods with pesticides and kill your own food. So cancer is all around us. I know a guy that got lung cancer from running 8 miles a day. Healthy guy never smoked a day in his life but got lung cancer.

        • Dr. Rodu is paid for by Big Tobacco. I’ll leave it at that.

          Oh you know a guy who got lung cancer from running 8 miles a day? I doubt that. No, I don’t doubt that you know a guy who ran 8 miles a day who got lung cancer, but he didn’t “get it” from running those miles.

          I know a guy who chewed for a couple of years and had his jaw removed before he died from cancer. So I guess my guy cancels out your guy.

        • “Whereas smokeless tobacco doesn’t leave a film over your teeth, gums or cheek. ”
          You’re a fraud pal! Obviously you haven’t used smokeless tobacco long enough and I highly doubt the “great” Dr. Rodu, who again is paid by Big Tobacco, ever dipped in his life. And if he did, he didn’t do it very long.
          I had a dead skin layer (or FILM) in the pockets of my jaw everyday from dipping…Leukoplakia is what that was…pre-cancerous. But I ignored it and continued to dump that shit in my mouth…because I was an ADDICT!
          I had stained teeth (or a FILM) from dipping, even with brushing, flossing AND Listerine, they were never the color they are today without using that shit.
          Maybe there wasn’t a “film” per-say on my gums, but guess what? They sure as hell were receding from that junk! My mouth, almost a year out from that habit, is STILL repairing itself from the abuse of Smokeless Tobacco. Let that soak in real good, this IS what using Smokeless Tobacco does to your body, where smoking DOES NOT show this stuff, its all hidden in the chest.
          So sit up in your “Dipping is Great” chair, but you’re only fooling yourself pal.
          The rest of this sounds like you need to see a counselor on (family issues). I could recommend one if you can come to terms that you’re full of SH*$. Changing your name 3 times to try and argue your point, definitely shows you are a troubled individual and should seek help for other things than just a tobacco habit.
          Good Day!
          -JP

  37. LISTEN UP EVERYONE I’M TRYING TO HELP. I do research for a living, and I am also a smokeless tobacco user, so I know how to get the facts. Our government sucks at a lot of what it does, but it’s great at conducting research studies and presenting the evidence. SMOKELESS TOBACCO IS EVERY BIT AS DANGEROUS AS CIGARETTES. Refer to the fact-sheet given to us by the National Cancer Institute:

    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/causes-prevention/risk/tobacco/smokeless-fact-sheet

    This article states that smokeless tobacco definitely causes at least 3 types of cancer. Please notice that the article references 7 different scholarly (which means accurate and NOT biased) research studies. The most important one is the first reference, which is a study conducted by French scientists (which INCLUDED American tobacco users):

    http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Monographs/vol89/mono89.pdf

    Nobody wants to read all of this crap, especially myself. The table on Page 170 of the study states that, with a large and diverse demographic (which means the results were not all that skewed or biased), FREQUENT SMOKELESS TOBACCO USERS HAVE A RELATIVE RISK OF 11.2. It’s undeniable math that states PEOPLE WHO DIP OFTEN ARE UP TO 11.2 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DEVELOP MOUTH CANCER than the people who never dipped.

    YOU WANNA HEAR SOMETHING FUNNY: The relative risk of squamous cell carcinoma (nasty cancer) in frequent cigarettes smokers is 11.7, which is almost EXACTLY THE SAME as the risk found in smokeless tobacco users. Here’s the reference for that, which has it’s own scholarly references:

    http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/14/9/2125.short

    If you just wanna look at the relative risk of 21.7 for small-cell carcinoma, then do me (or at least yourself) a favor and look through the hundreds of references in the smokeless tobacco study. They’re all based on SQUAMOUS CELL CARCINOMA and NOT small-cell carcinoma, just like the 11.7 part of the cigarette study.

    I A M T R Y I N G T O H E L P

    I am quitting as soon as I finish typing this because I never bothered to look into the TRUTH. This is science. This is math. This is historical truth being written so it can HELP US LIVE TO WATCH OUR CHILDREN GROW UP, along with whatever else we want out of our lives. Please be open to the truth about ANY form of tobacco:

    Tobacco is dangerous, and it will probably take you down if you don’t take it down first.

    I wish you all the best of luck 🙂

    • And yeah, some people get LUCKY and don’t die of cancer because of smokeless tobacco use. When scientists, researchers, and doctors say it CAUSES cancer they are right. Do you want to know why? Cause and effect is a chance game like a lot of you said. CAUSE does not mean you have a 100% chance of getting cancer if you dip. CAUSE means the sore in your mouth (which you have an 11.2 times higher chance of getting if you dip) was likely CAUSED by dipping. Not CERTAINLY caused by dipping, but even if that makes you think “we will never know for sure”, I promise you’ll be singing a different tune when you have to say your final goodbyes to your crying children while you’re lying in a hospital bed regretting every shred of tobacco you ever stuck in your mouth.

      • Users look for any excuse to continue their habit. Look, I did it for 25 years, and I just didn’t “want” to quit. I finally set a date and woke up one day and finally smelt what I was shoveling all of those years. People look for every excuse in the book to continue their habits. I especially love the cases where one gets a scare, or even worse, that actually beat the cancer, then go right back to tobacco, once cleared…what a friggin joke!
        Not trying to beat anyone like a Dutch Uncle out here (sorry to any of the Dutch here), but I agree with all Nick said, when you use, you tip the scale back in favor of the cancer spectrum. Anyone disputing that is in severe denial.
        -JP

        • no one is denying that you raise your risks, but what we are saying is that it is a low risk, there is a difference, Sure, you are best off not doing it. But hey, even if you never touch the stuff, you can still get cancer, just so you know. I drive my car every day, yet there are people who die in car crashes every day. By driving, I am “tipping the scales” in favor of getting in a car crash. Should I stop? No, because the risk is quite low. Compare this to tobacco use. Smoking is like driving drunk; it greatly increases your risk of death. Smokeless tobacco use is like driving safely with a seat belt on, while this will not eliminate your risk of death or injury, it certainly lowers it.

          • “Sure, you are best off not doing it”….I rest my case.
            Look, you want to dip, then dip dude, I care less. Just know, You will NEVER convince me that chewing tobacco is “safe”….I was addicted to that shit for 25 years!
            Sure, people drive cars and die in accidents everyday, but guess what? If there were as many dippers in the world, as there are drivers, then maybe we would have a more accurate statistic. In my opinion, you’re comparing apples and bowling balls there pal.
            As mentioned, if you want to dip, dip, but don’t come here to a WONDERFUL forum and start thumping the can and talking about how “safe” that shit is. That’s the talk of an addict that isn’t strong enough to break free from the addiction (yet at least). This is a forum for the strong quitters, like myself, who know the shit is bad and who don’t want to be a slave to the drug anymore.
            Its a free world, do what you want, but stop talking about how safe the worm-dirt tobacco is, it’s a drug, and all drugs have an abusive component, Smokeless Tobacco is on par with a heroin addiction.
            -JP

          • It’s Ok JP, like chewie says, these dudes are just trolls, he is right.

          • Jim is backing his point on facts, not fear. Take note of Rodu’s factual research and brands/flavors and actual current TSNA levels. His name keeps cropping up as he among the few who have done deep research on it. And no, he isn’t getting paid from them. The companies covered some research costs. You have to factor in oral hygiene, diet, exercise, lifestyle, HPV in a lot of these oral disease cases, not only low TSNA levels to blame as a cause. Seems smokeless is just something easy to blame.

  38. One thing I know is that everyone on this earth with one day die. Unlike everything previously mentioned, that is an undeniable fact. There is no study that proves with a notable degree of certainty that ST is a direct cause of cancer. The above mentioned “facts” are mere speculations of why less than one percent of the population gets oral cancer. The chemicals found in ST are found in pretty much every food one can consume, as mentioned in previous comments. Any medical professional will tell you not to use ST because it is not essential to survival. They don’t tell you not to drive a car even though more people die in car accidents per year than from oral cancer because that is essential to one’s lifestyle. Tobacco has gotten a bad name because of the deaths smoking has caused. However, the two cannot be accurately compared. When a substance is combusted it is completely altered into something other than it previously was… That’s a fact. From reading all the previous comments I have one thing to share. I smoked for a year and when I tried to resume my running hobby when the weather got nice I could feel a clear difference in my performance. It clearly suffered from only one year of smoking. I picked up the can and was able to resume my running. I can say that yes ST is addictive ( like almost anything else), you are always rolling the dice whether you use ST or drive your car, and no matter what I will one day die. If I continued to smoke I would not be able to perform at the level I now can. I chose ST for that reason. I enjoy my life to the fullest and suffer no hinderance from ST. Pick your poison people and make an informed decision for yourself, to each his own. If you feel that ST will give you oral cancer, don’t do it. If you’re afraid of anything in this world no one should pressure you to do it but they also shouldn’t stop you… or try to scare you with unproven evidence. ST may have saved my life but I won’t bet my life on it just like I can’t guarantee I won’t die in a car accident. My chances are greater with the latter….. Just some food for thought.

    • *sigh*

      The “everyone’s going to die” argument. Thanks for playing.

      • Chewing tobacco is not as bad as cigs..? Cigarettes cause 11 minutes of your life? Chewing tobacco doesn’t. Chewing tobacco can give you mouth cancer. Cigs can also give you cancer but cigs will kill you a lot faster.

    • You lost me at “The chemicals found in ST are found in pretty much every food one can consume”…so Formaldehyde (Embalming Fluid), Polonium (Nuclear Waste), Cadmium (used in Automobile Batteries), Lead (Poison), Hydrazine (Toxic Chemical), N-Nitorsamines (a Cancer causing chemical)…not to mention, a chemical that is more addicting than Heroin, NICOTINE, is in the food we eat??? I mean all these things are found in ST and, according to you, they are also found in our food too?? I am just stating “the facts” here….but find it hard to believe all of the above are “found in pretty much every food one can consume”.
      Good for you, you chose one addictive form of tobacco over another (chewing over smoking). I too chose ST for the same reasons you do/did, I was an athlete and am still a runner today. It takes a really strong individual to decide they no longer want to be a slave to the addiction….you obviously are not strong enough to give up nicotine and will let it continue to control your life, FINE! But really…is it necessary to come here and stick up for dippers? It almost makes me wonder if you’re really a tobacco salesman. This is a forum for the strong, not the weak. Come back if you need help quitting.

      • Amen JAYP ! This site is support to help the addictive trying to quit. Not to expose everyone’s ignorance on why to keep chewing because it’s healthy.

        • You got it Robert, pure ignorance! I am all over this site and it has been nothing short of a total blessing to me and my quit. Without all the STRONG quitters here, with all their successful stories and support for one another, not sure how much luck I would of had quitting. It amazes me there are people that come to a forum like this, to argue the “good” tobacco has done for them. Really?!?! Its an addiction (and a strong one), that only the strong can break free from. I commend every single individual who has the balls to ditch the can and get free from it. Nothing “healthy” about it..PERIOD!
          -JP

          • 90% of things of life can be conquered by the mind. Like smokeless tobacco. I quit for seven months for my ex girlfriend. Never touched it once during the relationship. I was dipping a can a day before I dated her. If you put your mind to it you can do it. I have but I still chew because I want to. I know I can quit. I have done it multiple times. 31 days to get addicted to a habit 31 days to stop being addicted to the habit. Also to the comment about smokeless tobacco being up to par with herion is flat out wrong. Use your brain man. Herion is a very bad and deadly drug. Makes you itch and get very skinny. I don’t get those effects from smokeless tobacco. That’s like comparing a motorcycle to a pedal bike. The everyone will die sooner or later is a very good argument because if I enjoy smokeless tobacco then if I die doing it then it is what it is. I do things I enjoy because I don’t know how long I have on this earth until I meet my God. So I live them how I see fit and do stuff that I enjoy.

          • Approved because of this quote:

            “I know I can quit. I have done it multiple times.”

            Invalidates anything else you have to say. Thanks for playing.

    • I’m hearing you guys argue back and forth, an addict has a choice. That choice being made, answer these questions: Is it affecting anyone around them (meaning are their people in their lives that are not approving of it)? Does it affect their children’s choices? Does it affect the person they are kissing? Does it affect the family’s budget? Does it affect their risk level in their future for various health conditions? Addict, answer those questions, then ask yourself if you’re trying to come up with excuses, such as “well it’s a risk to drive my car, or, my grandpa did it”, “Am I coming up with excuses to keep my habit going?”

  39. I’m on my first day of quitting….sucks balls

  40. If chewing causes cancer and I do die from it who cares everyone dies eventually who cares when and where and from what

  41. Actually I saw on the news where scientists rehashed their ideas of what causes cancer and they found that two-thirds of cancer cases were caused by random genetic mutation which had nothing to do with the persons diet, or the persons genetics.

  42. How much is the FDA paying you to spew this propaganda?

  43. Ok let’s settle this. There are cancer causing agents in smokeless tobacco, this is a fact. But that’s all that they are, agents that have been tested and are KNOWN to cause cancer. Not will cause you body to develop cancer x amount of time in the future if you continue using smokeless tobacco. There are too many variables that happen in any persons life, whether they use tobacco or not to say hey he used smokeless tobacco that’s what caused his cancer. You can link various agents found in tobacco to cancer but where we sit right now it can’t be proven that tobacco causes cancer.

  44. What fuckin losers are on a quit dip site defending it! And who’s the retard saying it’s not possible to dip two cans a day? Chewed for 15 years, 11 days quit, hardest shit I’ve ever done! I never went without a dip, it was me! And now adjusting is hell. The fog and anxiety is out of control. To everyone trying to kick the habit, keep it up and thanks chewie for all the good info! By the way had a buddy chew got two years and had serious mouth cancer and now has half his mouth cut out. Play with fire and you might get burned.

  45. Thank you so much Chewie! I stopped chewing for a year, started back up yesterday, was fighting the battle today on whether to use it and you pushed me toward the light and I threw the cans out. I’m thankful you took the time to reach out to people like me. It made a world of difference. It means a lot knowing I can be as passionate as you about stopping if I push myself. Thanks again

  46. This is all a joke. Rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com

  47. I personally quit smoking cigs and started dipping I like it better and think its not as bad for you however I don’t defend it that it is safe and doesn’t cause cancer. I do believe cancer can be genetic but I am also an herbalist and believe that your diet of healthy foods and herbs can ward off cancer from studies that prove fruits without ingesting pesticides, vegetables and certain herbs improve your cellular structures stability such as garlic, onions, green tea, tulsi, etc. this explains why I know people who have smoked for forty years and somehow don’t have cancer. And yes we are all exposed to so much that causes cancer in this day and age including radio waves and preservatives so the way I look at it is try to reduce cancer causing substances and technology and maximize a variety of natural foods to balance and negate the bad.

  48. My father in law smoked for 11 years and chewed for 17 years. When he was 45 he went to the dentist who saw something odd on the inside of his cheek and referred him to an oral surgeon who removed what he called a “low grade carcinoma” from his cheek.Technically, an advanced leukoplakia. It was in the exact spot he held his dip for 17 years. He let me look in there once. It looks like someone took a small ice cream scoop out of his cheek and gums. He’s been chewing nic gum ever since, 12 years ago.

  49. During your life you allotted just so much time. Preservation of life and lengthening the inevitable is endless and futile. We will all die. So if you’re going to dip, dip. Smoke? Then smoke. Shoot up? Get high? Go for it… but just remember that each and every time you engage in destructive behavior you are affecting all those who love you. I dip, smoke, drink and yeah I probably eat too much red meat. That’s my life. And I’ve lived it well and have had so many wonderful memories.

    I will not sit here and read these comments from people on their high horses pretending to be better than others under the guise of “providing information”. It’s maddening and useless. Guess how many lives have been changed reading all of these? None.

    Live your life. Don’t lay on that bed wishing you had done things differently.

    But take some advice from me.

    Everything in moderation…. including moderation.

    • So MODERATOR, you’re saying to do everything in moderation, but then you’re saying that EACH TIME you engage in destructive behavior you are affecting all those who love you. You need help. Or just keep chewing and get off this site.

  50. Y’all. Should read how smokless tobacco saved my life dippin has for less chemicels in it then cigarettes none are good for but if you where to choose one smokless tobacco is far saver then cigarettes are there have been no direct deaths leadin to the cuase of smokless tobacco but lots from cigarettes. Its more harmful to breath the air in and aroumd the city then it is to dip! My dad age 55 dipped sence he was 16 no sideaffects beside hartburn and gatorlip my gradpa who turned 98 this summer dipped for 79 years hes still alive the warnin labels on the dip can are things that can happen will they mostlikly not just like all other medicines out there

  51. Breathing the air cause cancer im a 10 year dipper who tells anyone that isnt a tobaccoo user to just not start its a waste of money i am addicted and i moderate my usage to about a can or tin every 3-4 days which is about 2 dips daily. Have i had any signs of cancer from dip no. Did i show signs of polyps in my lungs yes i did. I have never smoked a cigarette in my life nor cigar. Lucky me i had my cancer in my LUNGS found at very early stages so i didnt lose anything. But here it is straight dip isnt good for you but neither Is living a day to day life.

  52. I read through all of this and I get both sides, I agree it increases your chances but
    The chances are so low that it is not much to worry about, especially in moderation. If you are worried that you are going to get cancer it’s simple to just quit because you don’t want to die. What is more important? Some people continue because they don’t have much to live for but themselves. Some people enjoy the peace of mind knowing that they won’t have mouth cancer if they don’t chew. Some people want to live to watch their grandkids grow up. Fine. Either way if you chew, expect to have mouth problems and all of the other stuff along with it, regardless of statistics, it damages you and any excuse to do it will give you “reasons” to continue use. If you are willing to accept what it may do to you in the long run, it’s your choice. Power to you for not using anymore

    • this man is right. and at the same time every chemical reacts to peoples body differently. so what research says about it on their test subjects may be completely different to how it affects each and every other person. so in reality you are all right and wrong at the exact same time. arguing about this is pointless.

  53. Give us one example as to when smokeless tobacco has been directly traced to causing cancer…
    Then look up the statistics as to how many cancer cases have been directly traced to smoking…
    Not a safer alternative? BLASPHEMY!

    • The title of this post is a bit misleading… I think it’s fair to say that by some measures, smokeless is “safer” than smoking. But then again, is a 9mm “safer” than a 357 Magnum? I get what you’re saying Hank, but please recognize what we’re saying too. When folks see that smokeless is a “safer” alternative, they read that to mean a “safe” alternative… which is a VERY different thing. Make sense?

  54. you people who think using is completely “OK” are nuts – coming from someone who used smokeless tobacco for 10 years – done in moderation, done only at night before i went to sleep i would watch a movie or a sporting event – and let me tell you what it has done to me – it has given me TMJ to where i have now started wearing a night guard, it has turned my teeth yellow, it has given me MULTIPLE mouth sores that go away eventually but they are still VERY painful and towards the end before I quit it gave me complete anxiety that i was going to get throat cancer or mouth cancer. Don’t be one of those people who think “it will never happen to me” because you know what they say NEVER say NEVER. I will be very grateful and LUCKY if that is all comes from using Smokeless Tobacco. If I get cancer or have mouth problems the rest of my life then it is my own fault and I can only blame myself for even starting. Don’t do it, it’s NOT worth the stress, and eventual mouth soreness or pain it causes

  55. There’s a very powerful book in the business world that is still used as a key text book in most business colleges called “How to Lie with Statistics.” Statistics are powerful, but not everything.

    This site is filled with tons of testimonials of men and women and the story of their addiction to nicotine. The shame, lack of integrity, insecurity, fear, terror, and guilt for being addicted to something that we know will eventually get to us. It may be a low statistical probability for cancer, but the quitters that quit because they get a scare rarely succeed in staying quit. It’s the ones that quit for a more holistic reason, that understand the power of an addiction and want to be free from that that quit. The quitters that are successful want to quit because they have spent years making promises to people they loved that they would quit, but couldn’t keep their word. The quitters that are successful understand that they are addicted to a substance that also alters how they interact with others. There is a common theme among addicts of any kind and that is that they are not people of integrity or honor, There isn’t a single addict, that at some point in there life, either to themselves or to someone they care about, have said those words of “I’ll quit” only to go back on their word.

    If fear is the only reason a person is trying to quit, it may get them across the start line, but it won’t fuel them for the entire journey. There will always be the excuses, statistics, “reasons”, hardships, etc that will make someone that quit out of fear go back to their master and be enslaved again.

    The incredible sense of freedom and power one has when they know they have quit, and have the support structure in place to stay quit is not describable appropriately in words. It will bring grown men to tears talking about the joy. The quitter can look the person/people they love in the eyes and can feel like they are truly respectable because of their honor and integrity. They gave their word and kept it. I don’t know of a single person that still chews, that way deep down in their soul doesn’t have that sense of shame…it’s something not quantifiable with statistics or scientific research, but doesn’t make it any less true.

    If you want to chew, you’ll give yourself a million reasons to do so. Most of the reasons that are common are given above by various posts. I’ve been there and used all those reasons. It still didn’t make me feel any better about it. It didn’t make me feel better about it because I knew, it wasn’t the truth. Even when it was a statistic. That spidey sensor we are all born with, the bullshit detector if you will, still lets you know that it’s a load of crap. That sensor tells you that not only are you lying to yourself, but you are lying to those you care about and love. And furthermore, you are putting those people that love you, in the precarious place of making them lie to themselves in order to be somehow ok with you being addicted to something. It’s a horrible horrible feeling and a feeling that feeds the addictive cycle because it sucks so bad that you just want to put another one in your lip and forget about it.

    If you want to quit and experience what freedom feels like, myself and a whole hell of a lot of people on this site are willing and waiting to help you. If you want to know what it feels like to walk tall again, to look people in the eye again, and to know with every fiber in your body that you are not a liar any longer, but a man or woman of integrity, then I humbly invite you to come aboard. If you are a Christian, I welcome you to experience what it feels like to be able to go to God in prayer without hauling your idol along with you. Freedom tastes a whole lot better than anything you will find in a can. Freedom. People fight for it and die for it every day. I can’t state my feelings about it any better than that.

    Most sincerely,
    Bronc

    • I don’t really know how to appropriately go about responding to this, but here I go. I myself am currently 22 years old and have been using tobacco (mainly smokeless tobacco) since I was roughly 14 years old. Over the past few years dipping has started making my blood pressure rise from dipping. So I have been on the quest to quit dipping and have made 1000 excuses up, lied about quitting, tried hiding it etc. You hit the nail on the head with your comment, I literally broke down and cried at work today when I read this. I choose now to be a clean man, someone with integrity and not a liar, to leave that addiction behind me and start a new life without it. You are the reason I chose this new path and I thank you for the time you spent posting that, you have just changed my life. Words cannot express to you how I feel at this time!

    • Wonderful post ! I am 50,and I have used 11/2-2 cans a day for 36 years. I have recently quit cold turkey Christmas Eve 2014. I could list many reasons for wanting to quit such as my high blood pressure, gum problems ,and throat problems all of which are excellent reasons to quit, right ?
      I realized that I am imprisoned by the can ! Everything I do revolves around a can of tobacco. If i am about to run out and have only a small chew left ,I will not sleep well at night wondering if I have enough for when I open my eyes.Every morning when I wake I can’t brush my teeth fast enough so I can get a dip. I can’t wait to finish eating so I can dip. I will go to the store at any hour in any weather to buy a can. Normally I have cans hidden everywhere but eventually you will use that up and run out. When this happens you realize just how addicted you are. When you choose not to go to a special occasion because it is to long ,and you may not be able to dip You Have A Problem!

      I admit it I have a problem.

      I have quit and I am telling myself I will never chew again! This website is helping so thanks to all of you for your sharing your successes.

      Robert

      • Robert great post! I agree. My name is Josh and I am 38 yrs old. I started dipping when I was 15. I played baseball and dipped. Copenhagen snuff is my brand, and I dip about a can a day. The only thing I have noticed is that my gums are starting to recede a little bit. I brush my teeth regularly. I plan on quitting by my 40th Bday because one, that’s 25 yrs of dipping and two, because I hear that men 40 and older have a much higher risk of oral cancer. I already know it’s going to be really hard because I literally freak out if I don’t have any snuff.

    • THANKS SIMPLE, TRUE, AND POSITIVE

  56. So while we are throwing out numbers and calling others pricks….

    You want to continue to think that smoking is worse and smokeless is “harm reduction” I will beg to differ with you. It all boils down to a numbers game.

    About 42 million people smoke- this is about 18% but doesn’t include the following;
    13.4 million smoke cigars
    2.5 million smoke pipes
    That is 57.9 MILLION people that smoke just in the US

    On the other hand only about 9 million in the US use smokeless tobacco.

    Start taking percentages on those numbers. Tobacco is deadly no matter what form you ingest it in.

    For those of you that keep calling this a habit, you are wrong. It is an addiction. There is no difference between nicotine and heroin addiction. I will fight this fight till the very end and it will be worth every minute of it.

    As you can tell (hopefully), I am totally with Chewie on this one. I spent way too many years of my life revolving around that can. Late night trips to the store, multiple stores if they were out somewhere (I once went to 8 stores in one night to get 1 can), taking time away from my family, and generally looking like a jackass with a turd in my lip pretty much 24/7. For me being free and clean is the best for me.

    Harm reduction? Not for me, I want to be around as long as I can for my wife, 2 kids, Scouts, and my brothers on KTC. No more being a slave for me.

  57. I am no expert, I have no figures to throw out, and I’m not a doctor. Like Scott above, those ‘scare tactics’ and ‘fears’ never meant much to me when I was using for damn near 30 years. When I was ready, I was ready.

    I don’t look at cancer pictures. Never have, probably (hopefully) never will. I didn’t need to.

    I watched my father and mother both loose fights with cancer. I watched them both (in an 18 month span) whittle down to 90 lbs, become incontinent, go through the pain of chemo and radiation, only to succomb to the nastiest of diseases. I literally watched my father take his last breath.

    Know what? Neither used tobacco.

    Now, I’m no smart man, and anyone on the site will attest to that; however, I have a pretty good feeling that since my mom, dad, both grandfathers, three uncles and my sister have all had cancer (my sister is the only one to survive it), I’m pretty fucking certain I will one day. So why not just go using, right?

    Wrong.

    I know that my chances of contracting the big C are reduced DRAMATICALLY from not stuffing my face with cat turd. Your car accident Tyler, is just adolescent.

    I do understand some of your point though. Nobody likes getting corned by the ‘born again’ guy at the office party, or family reunion, and you may think ole Chewie is being a bit ‘preachy’. Well, to this I say, “Take what you need, leave the rest.”

    If you don’t quite get that, then I offer you an invitation to join KTC, get on the forums and pay it forward, becuase that, Tyler, is what this man we call Chewie does every damn day.

    Countless, THANKLESS hours spent maintaining websites to offer knowledge, support and brotherhood to those of us who somehow, almost by miricle found each other on this tiny little corner of the interwebs.

    Want some numbers? How about KTC boasts almost TWENTY THOUSAND registered members, and over 2.6 MILLION posts. All for a FREE website that is only, completely, solely about helping other people breack free from addiction.

    So congrats on your 5 years, stud, and I applaud you trying to help your dad. I envy you.

  58. You cant save them all Chewie. I have done zero research on the subject, I have no stats to throw out there, but I can tell you that the decision to stop dipping 2 years ago(after being addicted for 20+yrs) is the best decision I have ever made. I was a complete slave to the can, couldnt go anywhere without it. My days were usually planned around when I could get my fix. I dreaded going out with the family, because I knew that I was going to have go dipless for awhile. I may or may not have gotten cancer, but I was missing out on living my life. shoogie day 754

  59. I stumbled upon this site trying to help my dad quit. I quit a few years back after 5 years of a can a day and it really wasn’t that hard, but I got lucky. Anyways, I like this site but Chewie, you are the only one that makes me think twice. You through out numbers and talk down to anyone that disputes what you say. Dip is gross can cause cancer, blah blah blah. We have all heard it before. You said 6/100,000 get oral cancer a year in a comment, how many die from a car accident? Cancer not from dip? Getting shot? . I met many friends through chewing and it gave me something to talk about to someone I wouldn’t of talked to otherwise. If you die in a car accident you are 1/1600. EVERYONE STOP DRIVING ITS BAD FOR YOU. That is how you sound in all of your comments. That’s right, there is a 99.994% chance that you will be completely cancer free. And about 99.9965% chance that you will still live if you do get cancer. If smokers all changed to smokeless tobacco we would save about 137 people/ 100,000 from dying from cancer from tobacco use. That is why harm reduction is a good start. I’m glad I quit because it saved me money but the scare tactic shit doesn’t work that well. Just look at D.A.R.E.. Anyways if you’re going to run a help group I would hope you become less of a prick.

    Thanks,
    Tyler

    • Hey Tyler – thanks for stopping by. Congrats on your quit. As you said, you did indeed get lucky if it wasn’t tough for you. I wish I could say the same thing about my quit.

      I’m surprised that you’re calling me out for throwing out numbers… I very rarely throw out numbers when talking about my addiction cause I think it’s a rather stupid argument. The stat you’re referencing where I said 6/100,000 is below:

      “Is there an epidemic of oral cancer in the world? Absolutely not. 6 out of 100,000 per year IS super low… unless you’re one of those 6. However, saying using smokeless won’t do much to your chances of getting oral is laughable as well. Using it increases your changes more than 4x than not using.”

      So yes, I threw out a number. But I also pointed out how silly that argument was. I also went on to point out that if you’re that 1 it’s a pretty significant number.

      I legitimately don’t try to talk down to folks. I was a dipper for nearly 2 decades and I loved it! Do I think I’m “better” than someone who’s dipping? No. Smarter? No. Do I personally think I made a better choice by quitting? Yes.

      I’ve never been one of those “you must quit or you’ll die” anti-tobacco advocates. It’s silly. Do we have photos and stats here on the site? Absolutely. But I try to be as accurate as I can and I’ve removed items in the past that have proven to be false.

      Sorry if you view me as a prick. I’m passionate about the subject and we’re trying to help as many people as possible. *shrugs*

    • Hi Tyler. Awesome that you’re quit. How did you do it?

      Harm reduction is not a “good start”. In 1994, many internal tobacco company documents were leaked. These papers (known as the tobacco papers) were the basis to the tobacco master settlement in 1998.One of the leaked papers was a small one that stated dual usage (i.e. using both smokeless and combustible) increased the probability that a person could not quit nicotine. Studies throughout the years have confirmed this. Harm reduction is a marketing policy that the tobacco industry embraced many years ago (remember those old ads that said “There in a pinch”. What referred to the fact that smokeless could be used when you couldn’t smoke.

      Secondly, most of us are inspired by those cancer stories. Tom Kern is a very popular story here, and this Tony Gwynn discussion has inspired many others to quit recently. However, a quit is not built on these “fears”. You’ve been quit for a few years and don’t buy into these “fears”…yet you’re quit. We quit because we want to be free from this poison, and we’re tired of it running our lives. Fact is that tobacco use raises the risk factor to contract cancer.

      Nobody is talking down to anybody here. We deal with quit everyday, and we’re quite successful at it. Stay quit, but don’t fall for the propaganda stating smokeless is harmless.

      Thanks.

      Scott

  60. So is smokey mountain herbal a safe alternative for quitting?

  61. The folks that want to dip or keep rationalizing that dip is ok sounds good to me….eventually you will run out of reasons to dip and just be faced with cancer…which then means you will die by autopsy….the rest of us will NOT dip and sit back and enjoy life worry free from dip….my advice???….keep dipping

  62. The discussion up top has gotten too deep (only 5 levels deep) but I wanted to just leave this here for Stephen. It’ll help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation

    • well I was hoping for some ideas on how to quit smoking not to fix my grammar

      • Wasn’t trying to be a dick. I honesty couldn’t make out what you were asking. I’m happy to help if you can clarify your question.

        • I still do dip actually and I have not had any problems to me I love dip and love to dip now I don’t dip 24/7 and my mouth is very clean and don’t have any yellow teeth cause I brush my teeth when I’m done.

      • Hey Stephen Ive dipped as well and what can help you stop is chew on some sunflower seeds or gum or sick on a mint.

  63. Dip is bad but can be good I totally agree it raises ur chances of cancer but gum disease is /preventable take care if your mouth. And the warning says can cause cancer not will unlike cigarette thaat says causes diseases dip is bad but not really and what about Shuster that isn’t bad at all

  64. It’s all about how well you take care of your mouth. Maybe these guys getting cancer need to invest in a toothbrush.

    • Layne – are you honestly suggesting that getting cancer is simply a matter of not brushing? So if I chew daily, smoke daily, but make sure to brush and floss I’ll be at no more risk of getting cancer than someone who doesn’t use these products? Sorry man… that’s just plain ignorant.

      • Keeping a clean mouth lowers the additional risk associated with oral cancer. The risk carried by the tobacco products would just not be elevated from their normal rates since brushing eliminates a risk factor of poor dental hygiene.

  65. If my dad has dipped for about 20 some years and I have been for about a year does that mean I would be the same as him. He hasn’t had any problems with dipping. So should I?

    • You could very well be the same or you might not be so lucky sometime genetic skip generations so it really just depends on your body an how it reacts to the tobacco use

  66. Hey I just started dipping and I just feel so sick after every one does it in my school so I guess I just wanted to be part of the crowd but today was my last day of that stuff im done I’m free mother truckers but guess what I still keep my life frekin hillbilly with out cancer in my mouth

  67. I chew once every night out of habbit. More like a ritual. I dont realy have an urge for it. I been doing it for a little over a year. Does that mean I have an addiction? I dont really think about chew until im home at night after work and board watching t.v

  68. My quitting day is tomorrow, 4/6/14 and I found this site today and have enjoyed a bunch of the articles. I don’t understand what a bunch of dip advocates are doing here preaching the stuff, but thanks for your posts chewie. They respond completely and intelligently, but I suppose somehow you still haven’t gotten your point across… Anyway, I’m glad I found this site because it’ll help me quit!

  69. it was informational mr chewie and by the way are you a user “chewie” i am not because of all the chemicals but I’ve done it before,i was very sick my first

  70. god thats a long comment but very smart sounding if that is what you want it to be

  71. Watch the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTOooWc0dsI its called how smokeless tobacco can save your life lots of good facts in it

    • Watched the whole thing. I’ll try to keep my response and level headed as possible.

      First off… all of the “research” that’s being referenced here is by Dr. Brad Rodu who’s the poster boy for “harm reduction”. I’ve said time and time again that I’m a fan of “total harm reduction” as opposed to what Rodu preaches. The title of the book and the title of this video is completely misleading. Using smokeless tobacco is going to do nothing to save your life. Is using dip “safer” than smoking? Sure. I don’t think anyone here has ever said otherwise. But to say it will “save your life” is a misnomer meant to sell books.

      The comparison in this video saying “What’s worse… Cope or Heroin” is laughable so I won’t bother saying anything else about it.

      I did find it ironic that the dentist Mr. Mudjug was talking to said, “The odds of getting cancer is almost nothing” and then immediately followed that up with, “But make sure you get regulsr checkups so we can catch anything if it comes up.” Something doesn’t seem right there.

      Is there an epidemic of oral cancer in the world? Absolutely not. 6 out of 100,000 per year IS super low… unless you’re one of those 6. However, saying using smokelss won’t do much to your chances of getting oral is laughable as well. Using it increases your changes more than 4x than not using.

      I’d agree with Mr. Mudjug that the reason the government isn’t really doing much about tobacco is all about money. $140 billion (way more than that now I’m sure) is nothing to shake a stick at. I’d also agree that it’s complete bullshit that candy doens’t have warning labels – it should. I think we can agree that it never will… but that’s another discussion.

      Dippers WILL love this video and Dr. Rodu’s book. After all, it reinforces what they want to hear.

      I won’t lie… I LOVED dipping. And had Dr. Rodu been around I would have been a big fan of his. But I also don’t miss my receeding gums, the feeling of not being in control cause I forgot my can, etc.

      For me the bottom line is this. NOT being addicted to something is WAY better than being addicted to something.

      And one more thing. Mr. Mudjusg says multiple time to “Do research”. Yet another thing we agree on. Though I would suggest to do additional research other than just Dr. Rodu. If you do, you will find plenty of studies that tell you just how bad the stuff is.

  72. And, I will refrain from any further posting on your blog as it makes me a dick to do anything that would in anyway interfere with the message you are trying too spread. Good Luck too everyone trying to quit!

  73. The title of the article lead me too believe that’s what you were getting at. I do realize that I posted on an anti-smokeless forum but I can’t help but think that the facts have been misrepresented. The purpose of my stats were to show that while smokeless tobacco is not a “healthy” habit the risk of dying as a direct result of use is minuscule. I appreciate your efforts and hope that you succeed in your mission and for the record, more non-tobacco users die daily than users. Approximately 155,000 people die daily, of that, only 1300 are tobacco users, smokers included. Point being, nobodies getting out alive, do what makes you happy. 🙂

  74. Oral Cancer occurs in approximately 15 per 100,000 non-tobacco users and doubles with the use of smokeless tobacco. Meaning 30 of every 100,000 users will be diagnosed with this disease. The mortality rate of oral cancer is about 50% taking us back to the 15 per 100,000 rate which is similar to the rate of vehicular deaths and nowhere near the rate of smokers.

    • Good stats Stevie. Though I fail to see how they make your argument for you. CLEARLY smoking causes more deaths than smokeless. I don’t believe I (or anyone else on KTC for that matter) has said otherwise. If we have please point me to it and I’ll gladly recant. As you said, using smokeless doubles the rate of cancer. The fact the numbers are small are sort of irrelevant. I’d agree with you that 15/100,000 is pretty small… unless you’re one of the 15… then it’s huge.

      And those numbers don’t take into account all the other issues associated with chewing (bad breath, cardiovascular issue, acid reflux, gum erosion, etc.)

      I do sincerely appreciate your numbers though. Thank you.

  75. I have been using dip for about 3 years, off and on though. Sometimes for about 3-4 months ill use it regularly, then quit easily for about 2 months before starting again. The first time I took a break was after about 8 months of using and after 2 days I no longer had that urge. My question though is how long do you have to be dipping to risk getting cancer. I have read on some sites that it needs to be 10+ years. But I am not so sure about that, anyone know for a fact?

    • Ben – I don’t think anyone knows for a fact. There have been folks who’ve chewed for decades and not gotten cancer. There have been others that have chewed for less than a year and died a year later. That said, there’s little debate that dipping is bad for you. The sooner you quit, the sooner you know that you’re not doing anything to further your chances.

      • “There have been others that have chewed for less than a year and died a year later” you actually just make this stuff up. I have done much research, online and in research databases, and have not found one case of someone dying from chewing tobacco in one year.

        • Mike – when doing your “much research” online and in “research databases” I’m assuming you’ve run across people who have developed cancer from using smokeless tobacco.

          I’m also assuming that you’ve run across people who’ve chewed for decades.

          I’m assuming once again that you’ve not run across any research that puts a specific timeline on cancer growth (as I suggested above) and I’m further assuming that you’ll agree that there IS a link between smokeless and cancer.

          As you’ve not run across a timeline for cancer growth, I’m also assuming you’d agree with me that since there IS a link between smokeless and cancer that if you don’t wan’t to get cancer, then you shouldn’t chew smokeless tobacco.

          • When i was three i was cought stealing cigarette butt out of my moms ashtray my dad being a drug addict and thinking it was cool I was a pack a day smoker by the time I was 5 I lived with my mom for the most part but because of my dads influence I was stealing cigarettes from my mom on a daily basis I’ve dip off and on since probably about 8 I just turned 24 I already have trouble breathing burning in my lungs for the past 4 years have got bronchitis on the average of about twice a year my gums around the teeth where I dip have shrink and I do get blisters on my tongue occasion I’m trying to quit but just can’t seem to find it in myself it is known that many things can cause cancer scientists say if we lived long enough everybody would die of cancer weather smokeless tobacco and smoking causes or just increases the chances none the less it is still very bad for you but smoker should not be criticized by so many non smokers because their smokers

        • Was thinking the same thing. What a pile of shit.

      • Chewie you are a very smart person in what I have read but some of the people are right and some are wrong I am 13 bout to be 14 and have been dipping for 2 years. And I have no problems I wanna quick what should I do but then again I don’t want to quick completely so should I take it slow? Reply back and plzz no bull shit

        • Bubba – I remember when I was your age as a dipper. I loved it. I’d just started in with Skoal Wintergreen Bandits and I was just starting down the road to addiction that I’d be on for nearly the next 2 decades. Knowing what I know now, I’d tell you to stop now and never look back. The problem with “taking it slow” so to speak is that many people never REALLY slow down. They slow down for a week or two, and then before you know it you’re back to a can / day or more.

          I know you love dipping. I did too. Do I think you should quit now? Yep. Do I think you’re “ready” to quit? At 14… probably not. IF you’d trust me you’d be better off in the long run, but I know that’s not an easy thing to do at this point in your life / dipping career.

          No bullshit.

  76. It’s a free country do what makes you happy

  77. Dear Chewie,

    Being an asshole doesn’t help your cause.

    Sincerely,
    Rob

  78. Thank god I got away from using smokeless tobacco! What a burden it was to me and my family. I used for about 31 years. I was a slave to it, and a company(US Smokeless Tobacco, an Altria company) that big tobacco used to get more nicotine addicts to use their harmful products. Check out what they say about their own products here: http://www.ussmokeless.com/en/cms/Products/Smokeless_Tobacco/default.aspx?src=home

    Thanks to this site, I am finally able to face the day without something to be ashamed of, and something that would have killed me if I had continued to use it!

  79. Hello,
    I quit 16 months ago after 4 years of putting 1-2 tins a day of that stuff in my mouth. I feel 100% better.
    I still panic that I might get cancer:(
    But I can tell you only after 4 years of use I got high blood pressure. I am only 25
    So quit before you get health problems or worse cancer.

  80. Hi Nick,
    If you put in a big chew, why are you here? This forum is for serious quitters. Do you want to regain your freedom? If so, post up! -VerticalCloud

  81. I just put a big chew in

    • Um… congrats? Is this a plea for help? If so you’re in the right place. Is this you trolling a quit group? Not quite sure how you’d like us to respond to this…

    • Let us know when you have half your face removed .You are a drug addict the same as a heroin addict absolutely the same thing .A drug addict is a drug addict

      • You’re a drug addict if you eat skittles. Or drink coffee. Or drink pop. Coffee is the number one drug in the world. Stop glamorizing quiting. Congrats you quit lets you a medal. I mean come on.

        • We’ll stop glamorizing quitting (feel free to throw in a spell check) when you stop glamorizing chewing. I mean come on. 🙂

        • You should “use your brain”…or maybe use Google pal, Nicotine IS ON PAR with a Heroin addiction. Actually, they say Nicotine is WORSE than a Heroin addiction. I know what I am talking about, you obviously do not. “Skittles”…seriously? What kind of Root Beer and Bubble Gum world are you living in?
          Congrats on being a continued drug addict and keeping Big Tobacco in business….wow….they come in all shapes and sizes out here.

          • Oh you must have not heard about trace amounts of cocaine in skittles eh? Read the news man. So I can od on chewing? Holy shit. Haha do you look like you did herion? You must have some itches every once in a while when you used to chew huh? I don’t itch cause I’m not on herion. Number one drug in the world is caffiene, so you are still a drug addict even if you drink pop or coffee. How is nictotine worse then herion. Post a link and prove this shit to me. I ain’t gonna take you word for it.

  82. Just to back up Bob’s comment I would like to cite these websites http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=13276
    http://blackdoctor.org/13764/everyday-things-that-cause-cancer/
    http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/generalinformationaboutcarcinogens/known-and-probable-human-carcinogens
    Given this information humans are exposed to carcinogens on a daily basis just living normal smoke free lives and I see how Bob could very well be correct in his statement

    • Thanks for chiming in James. I don’t think anyone here is suggesting that smokeless is the ONLY reason you can get cancer as that’s obviously not the case. That said, there are a slew of sources that will suggest that smokeless use will INCREASE your chances of developing cancer (and other diseases).

      I don’t typically like to get into a war of source citing, because we can go back an forth all day long posting links that credit / discredit an argument. That said, I will add one (from the same source you cited above – Cancer.org).

      http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/smokeless-tobacco

      Please note the section “What kinds of illness are caused by oral or smokeless tobacco” where they list 8 DIFFERENT types of cancers that can be caused by smokeless use.

      • No disrespect intended but almost always and everywhere it is stated that Smokeless tobacco CAUSES cancer and frankly that’s yet to be proven. In fact it is still a mystery to scientist why cells will turn malignant. I personally believe that tobacco use will increase your chances and in some people actually cause it but again this is a personal belief.

        • No disrespect taken. I think it’s a matter of semantics but I one that I’ve noticed too. That said, whether smokeless tobacco “causes cancer” vs. if smokeless tobacco makes is “4-5 times more likely you’ll develop cancer” at least to me… is pretty much the same thing..

          • I agree and no matter causes or increases the chances it isn’t worth it and certainly not good for you.

          • There’s no proof smokeless tobacco is a direct cause of any cancer. Cancer is 2/3 bad fortune. Its gambling. ST carries a low risk of cancer. It is most definitely safer with an R than cigarettes. By no means is it completely safe. Even Brad Rodu suggests nobody start a habit. This is just an option that does reduce risks. He is funded by the tobacco company, but a funder of his research did receive negative feedback and it was published he said in a heartland video interview that they were essentially screwed and had no choice. The funding goes to the Louisville University and is not monitored or censored by tobacco research investors. Vaping I believe to be the safest form of nicotine delivery although until long term studies are conducted I have no right to claim it as a fact. There is a benefit to using nicotine and nicotine alone could be harmless as caffiene. UNTIL THEN KNOW YOUR RISKS. IT CAN HAPPEN. It’s a low risk but if your dice land right you will face one of the worst survival rates. It’s a lottery. You will essentially win a massive amount of suffering if you get all the numbers. The chances however are greater than winning the lottery. I’d say 1 in 100,000 dippers will DIE of oral cancer. Remember your gambling with your life. It is INCREDIBLY difficult to shake this habit. So if your non tobacco please I plead you not to trap yourself Like I have done. I am proceeding yo quit.

      • My dad has chewed since he was 14. He is 48 now and has never had any of the symptoms you have listed here! The dentist always says he has perfect gums and teeth and the dentist knows he chews. He chews about 1-2 cans a day so I feel like it would have caused some kind of symptom you have listed above but it hasn’t in that long of a time. So I think it’s mostly genetics that plays the role if you are going to get cancer or not.

        • You are a dumbass and full of shit, I dip, dip comes in a can, chew comes in a pouch and there is no possible way in hell to dip two whole cans in one day, js

          • Sadly, Sam may be right. We’ve got several members that dipped multiple cans per day.

          • Who’s the dumb ass but you. I have a friend that Dips about 2 cans a day and when I’m on vacation I can do the same.

          • Sams dad must fry it with his eggs and brew his coffee with it. LOL

          • Technically you are right but people in different states call it different things like soda or pop. I call it both and I call leaf chew so don’t hate others dippers. And by the way to Sam, how the hell does your dad dip that much in a day. I can see someone doing that but why that much. I got a lot of friends that dip a can a day and wonder how they do it. A can lasts me about a week and chew around 5 times a day

          • It IS most definitely possible to dip two whole cans in a day. Being someone who has dipped for only two years, I have once went through 5 cans in a day.

          • No one ever accused you of being smart did they?

            Um… congrats?

          • You are the dumbass. I’m 22 started dipping at 14 and am now 22. I started dipping half a can a day and worked my way up i now dip 2 to 2 1/2 cans a day. It’s not hard to dip 2 cans in one day. I pretty much put one in within 15 to 20 minutes of spitting one out. So its not that farfetched that his dad dips 1-2 that’s pretty common for someone who has been dipping more than 4.

        • Your dad is a drug addict with a coupe hundred a month habit .He is addicted to chew .Even if he doesn’t get cancer and die or lose half his face he is still a drug addict the same as a heroin addict or alcoholic .Its shameful he has passed his drug addictive views to his son .He needs to go to rehab today .Get him help don’t take up for him .My grandfather smoked camels for 40 years and would always say ” I’ve been smoking 40 years and I don’t have cancer ” 2 months later he weighed 90 pounds down from 190 and died a miserable death .One of my good friends chewed ( and said the same misinformed stuff you spout ) and just had half of his face removed .Ill try to post a picture if he will let me to show what your dad could end up looking like .Get your drug addict dad help

          • the same as an alcoholic, heroin addict. such bunk. only a keyboard warrior, an arrogant one at that, draw such silly comparisons.

  83. you mean one single doctor, apposed to thousands of doctors, scientists, addicts, cancer patients, relatives of deceased loved ones, and even the tobacco companies themselves…oh yeah, lets trust the one doctor. makes perfect sense.

    • One doctor is not the reason here. It is about quality not quantity. In my opinion cancer is genetic so if your’e going to get it you’re going to get it regardless. Yes there are things that can speed up the process but the evidence that smokeless tobacco has ever been the cause of cancer in anyone EVER is nowhere to be found. So until then stop beating this dead horse with extremely general statistics and false claims of people who say they got the big C from ST.

      • Bob – thank you for your “opinion” that cancer is genetic. Would you care to share you credentials that would make me take your opinion as fact? Did you ever read this article that you’re commenting on? Are you suggesting that the cancer-causing agents that have been identified in smokeless tobacco aren’t in fact “cancer-causing”?

        I’m not quite sure how we’re “beating a dead horse” here by pointing out the fact that these ingredients are in these products.

        • “Cancer causing” there is no definitive cause of cancer it is a mutation in a cell nobody knows why the mutations occur yet the theory that is most popular right now is that when cells is damaged repeatedly the body decides to mutate a cell to have it reproduce rapidly in order to deal with the recurring damage that the cells are sustaining im a dipper and this is from a bio teacher from my friends class he is taking for medical school, (doesn’t mean it is fact just thought I would put some different information out there) I am not argruing for or against tobacco use

          • I would like to back this comment up. You don’t get cancer from one thing. Everyone is born with cancer in their body it’s just when it mutates, it becomes a problem. Someone can move the healthiest life and get cancer and someone can dip or smoke or eat the nastiest shot out there for there whole life and not get cancer. It don’t matter what you do, you are going to get cancer or not get. It does not matter what you do. And I see it as that it’s your life. Why should people tell you what you can and can’t do. Everyone’s going to die someday. Why not enjoy it. By the way, I’ve being dipping for 4 years about 5 times a day. Nothing wrong with me and soon to be a doctor in the USAF.

          • So everyone has cancer and it just hasn’t “grown” yet? Tobacco use is one of those things that potentially makes it grow… No need to go on any further.

          • When you lose half your face we will see if you feel the same way .30,000 people are diagnosed each year with mouth and throat cancer caused by chew Half of those don’t live over 5 years

        • All I know is I’m on day ten of my quit and your site has helped tons, let’s say dip doesn’t cause cancer, I have been chewing for twelve years and I can honestly say I have never felt better getting that shit out of system, cancer or not that stuff is no good.

      • Maybe when you lose half of your face like my good friend ( who used to tell me the same crap you are saying ) I feel sorry for you .The American tobacco cartels have killed more people world wide than all the other drug cartels combined .

    • You also mean Doctors completely out of their field of work doing this to do it?
      There’s brain surgeons “Proving”, smokeless tobacco is worse. I could literally say I was a Doctor and I’d have thousands of people by the balls from their gullibility.

  84. In the 1971, cigarette advertisements were no longer allowed on television or on radio. Smokeless tobacco ads were allowed on air until 1986 because it was billed as a “safe alternative”. According to documents from the industry, they wanted to push “harm reduction” instead of “quitting”. Hence the warning label says specifically “This product is not a safe alternative”.

    The doctor you are speak of is Dr. Rodu and he receives an “open grant” from tobacco companies to promote snuff as a safe alternative. I have yet to see an independent review of his work.

    Please list any specific lies that are stated in the article.

  85. Dan – all of the articles on KillTheCan.org are written by people who’ve actually used (and quit) smokeless tobacco products. We unequivocally “know what we’re talking about”.

    If you read the article which you’re commenting on, we’re not suggesting cigarettes aren’t “worse” than smokeless products (though that’s debatable as well). What we’re saying is that smokeless products aren’t “safe alternatives” as many studies suggest.

    You mention “a doctor that has done research”. Care to share the study? I’d love to see it.

    • I have been chewing tobacco for about 3 years now and have not experienced and of the side affects you listed. The only way your gums will bleed is if you do it way way too much and your teeth won’t stain if you brush an take care of your teeth. If you use it in moderation and not excessively then you will not have these made up side effects. And most of the time people get cancer for chewing way too much and not taking care of their mouth. I understand it can be addicting but anything could be considered addicting food can be addicting. It’s all about moderation. You could chew too many seeds and you would stop experience some of these side effects.. Get your facts right haha

      • This is just plain funny. Thanks for the laughs Conner.

        • I enjoy this response because it just makes this”.org” site make me question your legitimacy all unnatural chemicals can potentially cause cancer, they haven’t narrowed any specific chemicals to directly cause cancer it is just speculation. They also speculate fluorine an fluoride can cause cancer….. These are used to treat water. So we should all stop drinking water too!

          • Just so I’m clear… are you suggesting the identified cancer causing chemicals listed above don’t in fact cause cancer?

    • yes i do beleive just about everything. I know its bad. One thing i will never understand or possiblly not buy off on is why in the hell they would put all these very expensive toxic chemicals in the stuff? The nicotine its what ya get hooked on so adding all the other expensive stuff makes no since (Plutonuim 210)? REALLY COME ON

      • These chemicals aren’t added to the tobacco by manufactures. The only common additives (besides flavorings) that I am aware of are the salts used to raise the pH and thus improve nicotine delivery. Nitrosamines are a byproduct of the curing process and are going to be present in most foods cooked at high temperatures. The other chemicals mentioned are trace contaminants drawn from the soil the tobacco is grown in. These same contaminants can be found in just about any plant and make their way up the food chain. Even the heaviest of tobacco users is going to get a larger dose of these chemicals from their diet than from dipping. That’s not to say there aren’t plenty of legitimate reasons to quit. But this list of trace contaminants is not one of them.

      • BRO, COME ON. ITS USED AS A FERTILIZER! GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!

      • Hi my name is Susan and I am 43 years old and I chew and I will be trying to quit I was dumb and started thinking it would help me quit smoking bad idea I brush my teeth a lot and as well as every one on be leaving that it causes canser my Question is why don’t they talk more about it on their adds on tv it’s all most like chewing is not a bad thing every one be for me chewed but in that time they didn’t have a enough testing to proof that it is bad so I’m stumped a bout the hole thing yes doctors will tell u that it will kill u but all most every thing that we eat and drink can harm us i mean every thing it’s a shame that they can’t make foods and chew and beer safe for us all we all have a leaning process that we all go threw and some of us don’t like to hear the bad but we will all get their one way or a nother

    • No Dr would ever make that claim unless he is paid to say that by the merchants of death the “tobacco drug cartels “

  86. Id like to know where the writer of this article got their facts , from another online article ? Or just guessing? Because there has been a doctor whose done a full research on smokeless tobaco and while he says he still tell people to not so it or said it is a safe alternative to smoking and goes on to say why so please don’t write articles of lies whn you do not know what ur talking about the chemicals in cigerates are far worse then smokeless tobaco

    • Hey Dan, ask Tony Gwynn how bad smokeless tobacco is.

    • Agree with you Dan. You should always back up with facts

    • I hope you know all of these things are true. I am doing research for a paper in my language class. In our health class we had a TRAINED doctor come in and tell us the facts. Don’t use this as an alternative to smoking. It will eventually kill you. So Dan don’t shoot people down and be stupid because you haven’t done any research either and you can’t even write a sentence correctly.

      • its stupid because you guys dont now what you are talking about. chew isnt bad if you brush youe teeth where yall have a dip in

        • *sigh*

          Are you honestly suggesting that all of the bad ingredients in smokeless tobacco (I won’t even say “cancer causing” because I don’t feel like fighting that battle) can simply be “brushed away”?

          Right… we’re the stupid ones.

        • Wow. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Go back to Mexico.

      • A trained doctor is nothin. Every doctor is trained, duh. That is also one doctor out of thousands of more. Please while doing your paper ask more than one doctor if dipping is bad. Most people want dipping and smoking to stop because it grosses there selfishness. Yes dipping can cause cancer. But on the label of the cans it says CAN CAUSE. Not will cause. No ones the same. I could dip for 60 years. And not get cancer. But my friend who dip as long and as much as me could get cancer

      • You know what else kills people? Time. Shut up

    • I agree. Saying ST causes cancer is like saying fine cut leaves cause cancer. You could load your mouth with oak tree leaves everyday. Its the same thing as a tobacco leaf. Except a tobacco leaf has nicotine. Why does coffee not cause cancer? Its a plant that contains a stimulant toxin called caffien

    • Safe alternative ? 30,000 Americans a year get mouth or throat cancer from “chew ” maybe when you or someone in your family has half their face removed like a good friend (who used to tell me it was safe) had you won’t think it’s so safe .Its also a stimulant .For you to say it is safe might make some young kids start .Maybe it’s about you making money off of it that causes you to make such dangerously misinformed statements

      • Cannot find anywhere on the internet that says 30,000 Americans get cancer from chew. Stop making up things

        • I can’t find a reference to this number either. I will do some additional digging.

          Until then, the fact that these products are

          A) addictive (which isn’t disputed by anyone) and
          B) lead to a slew of health risks including cancer

          Is sufficient for me…

        • Did you even look or just dropping by to mess with people?
          I did a simple Google search and found at least 5 sites (many more) that DO say, 30k people get mouth/throat cancer a year, this one below, points DIRECTLY at tobacco use…c’mon genius, get your head out of your blastopore! You know that stuff is bad for you, wake up and smell what you’re shoveling!

          http://www.mouthcancerfoundation.org
          “75% of mouth and throat cancers occur in tobacco users”

          • I have read many articles and most of them all say that their are 3.6 out of 100,000 people who get oral cancer from ST that’s 36 out of 1,000,000 so all of you need to stfu about all this bull shit

          • I don’t follow… what’s bullshit? Would you be willing to be one of the 36? We’re not. Therefore we quit. Pretty simple.

          • Tobacco users doesn’t say chewing or smoking. So come back when you get an exact estimate from chew alone not tobacco in general.

    • Umm…. It never once said that its worse than smoking. Before you say something idiotic please read the fucking article. It is implying that it still isn’t safe. It never once said( smoking is worse then chewing tobacco) idiot.

      • Kenneth Workman

        I just want to say everyone I don’t know if this is just going to you Mitchell or not but I’ve smoked for 17 years now I have Copd , I’ve dipped for 5 years I got gator lip I’m obese but I guess we will blame the spoon for that. I hear all this winning and crying about how it did this or how it did that. I am so proud of all the ppl that have quit I’m really proud but like I have seen in other comments there are bad things in this world and good things in this world. I don’t know who this quack ass dr is but of your even just receiving donations from big tobacco company’s and you rely on that money coming in do you really think by saying that chew is bad for you that they will keep funding your project ( fucking doubtful) I just have to say to each is own if you think chew is good for you cool if you think chew is bad for you cool I will never tell you that your wrong but I will say this camping is not good for you either for all you that sit here and say that it is popaline glycol and I know I did not spell that right is used in antifreeze look it up if your gonna vape go vg vegetable glycerin. But of is found in inhalers and a lot of other things… OK rant over ken

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