What To Expect When You Quit Dipping

What To Expect When You Quit DippingSo you want to quit. And you would like to know what it’s like. We’re not going to pull any punches around here, it’s tough. That’s why we’re all here.

Days 1 through 3 – Pure hell. You will walk in the fog. Nothing will seem real. Your brain is wondering where the hell its fix is and it is going to punish you until you come up with it. 72 hours, that’s all you need to get the nicotine out of your system. This is where you start to deal with the physical withdrawal associated with quitting dip. Drink lots of water. Read, post, read and post. Don’t take your anger out on your loved ones. We always tell everyone………Make this quit about YOU. If you quit for your wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, kids, mommy or daddy, you will resent them during this period. Quit for yourself and come in here to rant. Yell at us. Bitch at us. We can take it. We’ve been there.

Days 4 through 20 – Here comes the mind games. The nicotine is out of your system now. You will still have some physical things to deal with.

  • Cravings
  • Irritability
  • Insomnia
  • Fatigue
  • Inability to Concentrate
  • Headache
  • Sore throat
  • Constipation, gas, stomach pain
  • Dry mouth
  • Sore tongue and/or gums

Yep, you have this to look forward to. Your brain is rewiring itself. It isn’t used to being in an oxygen rich environment. Your body is responding in kind. Everything is a mind game now. All the cravings you have are actually due to triggers. Triggers are events where you are in a situtation you would normally dip in. Mowing the grass, playing poker online, playing golf, working on the car………you get the picture. Keep drinking water, use seeds, the fake stuff, whatever you need to keep the dip out of your mouth. Remember, oral fixation is part of our habit, something you will eventually need to break. For now though, use all the tools you have.

Days 20 – 50 – You’re winning. Life isn’t great, but you probably had a couple of nights where you actually got some sleep. You might notice you’re going to bed earlier than you normally do. Not staying up to get in that last dip. You may notice some sores in your mouth. You’re thinking, “great, I quit dipping and now I have cancer.” You almost certainly don’t. Your mouth is healing itself. Tiny ulcers you’ve had for a long time are healing. We recommend you visit your dentist around the 30 day mark. Don’t be a pansy, just do it. He or she will be very supportive and they can explain the sores much better than we can. Don’t let your guard down. Don’t go out drinking with the fellas or the girls. We also recommend that you don’t drink for at least the first 50 days. Drinking is a huge trigger event and it weakens your resolve.

Days 50 – 70 – Cruise control. Life is really good. You still think about it, but this is good stuff here. Some people may suffer anxiety attacks during or a little before this stage. Some doctors say we dipped to relieve anxiety anyway. Some people can push right through this, others need a little help. Talk to your doctor before you quit or immediately after you quit. They will know what to do. Some give Wellbutrin or Lexapro. Lots of people in the support community take or have taken these medicines and can help you with the affects. Don’t wait till you get to this stage of the game to talk to a doctor. You’ll cruise through this stage much easier if you know how to take care of the anxiety or at least know it’s coming.

Days 70 – 90 – Late term craves, the doldrums, the blahs, the blues. Some people end up feeling like they are right back at day 1. The fog, the haze, the craves. It can be a tough time. You need to let people in your group know this is happening. Time to circle the wagons to get through it. It usually only lasts a few days. Fight through this and make sure your order your HOF Knife or Coin. Here are a couple of articles about this time period which we refer to as “The Funk”

Days 90 – HOF – Houston, resume the countdown. Enjoy the hell out of these last 10 days. You will be celebrating with your group as you all enter the HOF. It is a great feeling and an accomplishment you should not take lightly. Do something special for yourself and your family. They put up with your sorry ass for the last 90 days and they deserve something too.

100+ Days – Stay vigilant. Use the tools you have, to continue beating back any cravings or urges. You will still experience dip dreams and longings, but you are fully qualified to beat them down. Continue to post roll with your group. Get into the newer groups and help somebody out. Pass it along. Live the dream.

Looking for info after 100 days? Check out What To Expect – 100 Days and Beyond

3,634 Comments

  1. Been working on quitting for a while. Tried the weaning approach but my nicotine intake was the same. Tried patches, but that just helped me trade one nicotine source for another: it gave the appearance of “cutting back”. Decided one night to see how long I could go between dips…kind of like trying to see who could hold their breath the longest. So I started the stopwatch.

    Its 40 hours and 40 minutes later. The first 24 hours was the hardest so far. Lots of gum and almost lost it a few times, but each time I reached for that can I glanced at that clock and all the time I had made it and asked, “Do you really want to start all over?”

    Then I got mad. Mad at the can. The can wouldnt solve anything – the can would make me start this journey over again. I didnt want to go through those hours again.

    23 hours in I opened the can and took in the aroma… I was surprised…the smell that had been so familiar and comforting made me gag and I immediately closed the lid.

    The fog can be intense. Sometimes I’m buzzed like I’m experiencing chew for the first time. My lips and fingers tingle from time to time..my body doesnt know what to do with all this Oxygen. Sometimes my brain panics and my heart pounds and my blood pressure rises: my body is trying to trick me into the stress response to get that precious nicotine. But i just look at that stop watch: 41 hours, 54 minutes. Each hour is new: I havent gone tobacco free since I started 11 years ago. Wonder what hour 43 has store? No idea, but I’m excited to put another one in the books.

  2. Day 460

    Heading into the weekend, hope you all have a good one, but before I go I want to share something I read in another forum from a fellow quitter. He said that he would leave the house after repeating the mantra, “phone, wallet, keys, dip”. I busted out laughing, because that is exactly how I would leave home in the mornings and I would follow it up with physically touching each item in my clothes.
    I can’t believe that in all my postings here I never mentioned those episodes of calisthenics performed every morning.
    Glad those days are over.
    Take care and stay off the Nic.

    10-22-2018

  3. Thank you all. Have been reading all the info and it has helped tremendously to prepare for what to expect next. You guys have been spot on with everything. Day 20 down and going strong.

    1. Hey Momma, 20 days is awesome bro! keep going no matter how bad it gets. I wont lie man you have a ways to go with good days and bad ahead. It will get easier as you go. Just keep coming here to read and post. I’m on day 298 and am feeling pretty good these days. Keep it up!

  4. Day 457
    Just a quick note to check on all you guys. Hope you all are doing well. Anything new?
    I basically spent this 3 day weekend building shelves in my garage to organize all my stuff. Bought some 2x4s and thick plywood and went to work, it came out allright, pretty sturdy, even painted all the wood. Next project is the garage floor, not sure what to do with it, but I want to protect it for sure.
    Anyway, you guys have a good day.

    DDD.

    1. All is well here DDD…a little Frozen Tundra going on in Michigan…I hate the winters here…but we’re already half way thru.
      I have indoor projects going on myself….best time to remodel during this crappy cold weather…stay indoors and busy.
      Staying busy always keeps the mind from straying to other things…in this case, that junky nicotine!
      Take care and stay strong!!
      -JP
      07-15-14

  5. Day 450
    Another 50 days to get to the 5th floor. I am not bragging or anything, just trying to motivate all of you guys in here struggling to go on. Early in my quit, I wanted to know how the guys way ahead of me were feeling. I would get some answers here and there, but it isn’t the same as experiencing it on your own. My only regret at this point is not starting this quit earlier.
    Ya’ll take care.

    1. Good job DDD, sorry I have not be in here lately, I have my in laws from Korea here and it’s a full time job.

      Jeffj
      8-14-14

  6. 80 days dip free. Never thought I would be able to do it. I just felt like I was trapped and couldn’t get out of it. Finally I decided to just quit cold turkey(only way to do it) it really wasn’t all that difficult, the first couple days was kinda rough because of headache and minor aches and chills. But nothing that you couldn’t tackle it you really want to quit. To quit you have to be 100% ready, not 95%. It takes your all and you have to give it. Fast forward to week 4 I finally started to get through full days with no cravings or even thinking about a dip honestly. Now I’m 80 days and some days I think about a dip but it doesn’t bother me any. I still can taste it and would like to have one but it doesn’t bother me at all not having it. I’m around people that dip all day long and it literally doesn’t bother me the first bit anymore. All I have to say is if you want to quit DO IT. Believe in yourself because you’re stronger than any habit or addiction. You just have to believe and push yourself. You will be surprised how much easier it is than you thought!

  7. I have dipped for 18 years I’m 35, I started at 16 dipped til I was 17 quit for a year then started back at 18 until now …. in 2017 I quit for 2 months .. I play poker for a living so I’m always used to having a dip at the tables , I got off of the dip using baccoff wintergreen pouches .. then one night I was at the casino playing and was out of my pouches so went to the local Walmart and got some Copenhagen pouches and just like that I was using regular dip again .. I made my new year’s resolution this year to try n quit the dipping again I officially stopped 5 mins before January 2,2020 so today is day 7 no dip . Now after 3 days with nothing I was ready to break the damn windows out with cravings so I went to the local grocery store and bought some smokey mountain wintergreen!! That stuff taste like dog crap whoever created it needs to be put in jail and chunk the key lol but I toughed it out for two days and I will say it did help a little. So day before yesterday I went to the store and bought a can of grizzly wintergreen pouches and got home with it opened it and was fixing to put a couple pouches in my mouth and decided to put em back in the can and set it on my shelf!!!! I don’t know if it’s ever been helpful for anyone else but I will say having a full can of dip in front of me that I have access to if I want it feels good and feels better when I don’t give in and open the can ….. believe it or not it helps with the anxiety in a weird ass way .. just the simple thought of knowing if u want a dip it’s right there at your fingertips will make u more calm and encourage u to not mess up your quit streak..my mouth has gotten raw a little on both sides but since I quit 7 days ago it’s weirdly kinda eased up , I guess when u dip 18 years and stop cold for 7 days straight it brings a few changes … but as I lay here in this bed typing this message I still to this second would love a big fat dip !

    I see people say on here it’s about “wanting “ to!

    Personally I don’t wanna quit I love dipping it taste great and it’s what I’m used to and something I enjoy doing in everyday life ….BUT I NEED to quit so therefore I’m going to for me I wanna quit so I don’t have health decline and I’m smart enough to know that when you been doing a bad habit for 20 years it’s a good chance that’s the route it might be headed … so I’m literally just trying to fix my mind to not want ….

    Personally I think if everyone found out tomorrow that dipping was great for your health you would all go put a chaw back in tomorrow lol but that’s not the case the whole reason for quitting this habit is because it’s bad for your health and that’s strictly why I’m quitting…. I did order some free samples of all the baccoff flavors should be here Friday so that should help the cravings some hopefully…

    Good luck to all hope y’all continue to kick this bad habits ass in the dirt as I plan to as well just hope I can make it til Friday when I get my fake dip stuff I will say even though some of it taste like garbage it helps

      1. I think if it was safe, I would do it until I would get bored of it and that’s that. The problem with this junk is that it has something in it that hooks you up and keeps you from leaving it. I was tired of doing it and still couldn’t keep myself from dipping.
        Let me give an example, a few years back, me and my bud quit dipping and drinking for a few days, we actually bought fake dip and non alcoholic beer. We did hang out and fake dipped and fake drank one time. The second time, we both just came to the conclusion, “why in the hell are we just sitting here and faking it”. I mean, we didn’t even have to say it, we both got up, spat up the fake dip and threw away the fake beer. I drove us to the store and got the real stuff.
        It is one thing being addicted to shopping and hoarding, one might get you in financial trouble and the other may jeopardize your social life, but dipping can mess up your quality of health, if your health is poor, then it affects everything about you and those around you.
        Any addiction is bad, just some are quicker to strike than others. Dipping is one of the bad ones.
        Day 449

    1. An interesting question and one I thought many times before. I personally feel it is a resounding YES for me because health was not at all a reason for me to quit. Coffee doesn’t hurt anyone. I thought I loved coffee but I still quit. After years of quitting and failing, I realized that none of us really enjoy an addictive substance. The substance makes us think we enjoy that. You will never enjoy a dip if you keep stuffing one after another beyond your body’s capability. You feel you enjoy only when you deprive your body and take it. So yeah, I would have definitely quit with or without health scare. Freedom is an amazing feeling. I might have had my doubts in the first 30-60 days but I am now very much on the other side.
      Good luck on your journey.

      Day 315.

    2. I do feel that “you” must have the “want” to quit or won’t be successful. It can’t be about another person, not about family or kids. It has to come from within to be successful at quitting.
      Personally, I was just done with the spitters, the waking and sleeping moments with this shit in my face.
      The dead skin in the cheeks of my mouth. II was absolutely fed up with the habit….so I “wanted” to quit. And this is why I think I’ve been over 5 years free from it. Not wanting to go through all the bullshit again is what has kept me true to my quit as well. That and Id be a dam fool to start a habit I beat 5 years ago.
      So I’m not so sure I’d go back to it again, even if it were safe. I just got tired of it. Hell, I even lost interest in the fake shit after a while.
      But to your question regarding keeping the can around. It is absolutely ballsy and can become a slippery slope if you don’t have your mind right. But I did the same thing. I kept my last can purchased around, it sat right next to the piles of fake shit I stocked up on. I’ll be honest, I was NEVER once tempted to pop the lid and take one.
      You see, the store owner I used to buy my shit from, knew my quit date. And I showed up in his store the day I was quitting to buy a can. The smirk on his face (he ain’t quitting) angered me to the point I stayed true and quit that day. So I purposely kept it to remind me of that “you’re weak” look the store keeper gave me. After a Year or so, I did occasionally pop the lid and take a sniff. It made my mouth water, and not because I wanted one, but that I thought I was going to vomit. The smell alone would knock a buzzard off a shit wagon. I then began using it as a tool to ask myself, “why” did I use for almost 30 years? Up until about year 3-4, I finally threw that nasty ass can of Skoal Wintergreen Long Cut away.
      But personally, I’m with Shiva, I’d say no. I am a much happier person without having an addiction to nicotine, I’m done with that chapter of my life.
      -JP
      7-15-14

  8. Hey Gene, the issues of panic and anxiety attacks are brought up by many of us that are going through the quit. Most of us seem to agree that these psychological disorders might have been masked by the inclusion of nicotine in our bodies. Once the nicotine is gone and the body starts healing, all the underlying issues we never noticed before are perceived and that might add to the panic or anxiety episodes.
    The good news is that all those symptoms start disappearing as time goes by. There isn’t a magical number where they should be gone as we are all different, but they do go away in a gradual form. I hope that helps you and other reading these posts.

    Day 443

    1. Gene, look up and down this board, yes, several, SEVERAL, have had their bouts with Panics, Anxiety, Depression. Its all part of the healing process

      1. Gene. As jayp put it,,, we all had panic attacks of some sorts. Hang in there ! If you can. “Walk it off “as coach would say. In other words walk. Jog. … work out. Helps..
        Drink allot of water and if you need. Go see your See your doctor

        Jeffj
        8-14-14

    2. Absolutely! Took myself to the ER… TWICE… early in my quit. Thought I was having a heart attack. Turns out it was ‘just’ anxiety due to my quit.

      Hang in there… it gets better and in the end it’s totally worth it. Promise.

      Chewie ~ day 4,914

    3. Sure did, I had two or three in the first 40 days. Just realize it’s not going to hurt you. Breath deep, and welcome it, don’t fight it, and it will pass quickly. Panic and anxiety are the worst part of the quit. Master them, and it is smooth sailing.

  9. New year, New Look, I like the new Interface. Thank you for keeping this site up and running, you all have helped so many of us.

  10. Day 432
    Hope everyone is enjoying the holidays. I just wanted to pop in here and share another weird episode about my quit. You see, i think the dip dream was caused because i saw a movie last night where the main character took a huge wad of Levi Garret. I used to chew on that when I first started doing tobacco. Anyway in my dream I had a big dip, spitting and all. Here is the weird part. In my dream I started feeling guilty and thought, here I go again, I am going to wake up and feel all guilty. In other words, I realized I was in a dream and I was not dipping for real, crazy huh? the second weird part is that I did not wake up, but the dream just changed to something else. I woke up this morning and remembered what happened though.
    Anyway guys, just dumping all my thoughts in here.It helps me with my quit.
    Stay strong.
    DDD

    1. I’m on day 77. The past week has been hard, like it says, I feel like I just quit and having to start all over again. Hopefully this passes quickly. It sucks to keep having to push threw

      1. Hey Bruce,
        Totally normal buddy. That is about the same time the shit hit the fan for me again. I can’t be certain how long it will last for you, but WILL be shorter than it was prior. Just stay on course, 23 days away from that first floor. Congrats on the first 77! You got this👍
        “This Too…Shall Pass”
        Happy New Year, free from that. Junk!
        -JP
        07-15-14

  11. Hey man been diping for 3 years now just started seeing bumps on my cheeks u can’t see them but you can feel them as anyone else had this
    And bumps on back of toung that stays for a long time I went to the doctor and he said he didn’t see anything in the Sun but it still worries me has anyone had this

    1. Hey Justin, i had one lousy white bump in my tongue that scared the mess out of me. Went to doc and said not to worry. I stopped dippin and practiced very good oral hygiene. it took about a month for the bump to heal. mine never returned. Hope that helps.

  12. 300 days folks…. in middle of a vacation and couldn’t get time to post big.. going to few different places and am treating myself with a nice break :). JayP-thanks on the suggestion on literature to deal with anxiety. Ill be checking out as soon as I am back.

    Keep rocking fellas.. Jeff, JayP, DDD, Cal, Carey and all others. Wish you all a merry Christmas. Happy holidays

    1. Congrats on the 3rd Floor Shiva!
      I love seeing you and DDD back out here serious as GOD about your quit. I am proud of you guys. I hope you enjoy vacation, yes! Merry Christmas to you and yours as well!
      If you do get that book, please, let me know your honest opinion of it. I promise you won’t hurt my feelings, but I honestly think you’ll get something from it, I know I did!!
      Ok, I think I hear santa!
      Merry Christmas!
      -JP
      07-15-14

    2. You are at the third floor Shiva, feels good doesn’t it? just wait on another couple of months and you’ll hit the one year mark. We are kicking it’s butt.

  13. Day 427
    Well boys and girls, I went fishing today, didn’t catch a damned thing except a mega crave. I saw 2 tobacco cuds on the floor, pretty disgusting; so here’s the weird thing, the crave in my mind was powerful, but actually seeing the turds did nothing to help entice the crave. Now, since I quit, I have not seen a fresh can of snuff, Has anyone seen one after you quit? and did it it seem delicious to you?

    1. Delicious? No. In fact, now days, I don’t understand what my fixation was with dipping, other than it had a hold on my ass. That was a tough habit to break!
      But no, the delicious factor wore off many years ago, I’d say after probably the 18 month mark.
      It’s a chapter of my past.
      Merry Christmas!
      -JP
      07-15-14

  14. Day 422
    As we all know quitting is hard to do. I read a story about a gentleman that was dying, on his last days, pumped with the most powerful pain killers and still in pain. Though the pain was unbearable, he still wanted to dip.
    What motivated you to quit?
    Was it the fear of Cancer?
    Was it a real physical threat, but you recovered?
    Was it because you cared too much for your family?
    Perhaps you are dying right now?
    Why are you reading these lines, you are here for a reason?
    Tell us, yell at us, let it all out. You are not alone in this battle.

    1. DDD, personally, I quit because I was tired of dipping. I know this sounds stupid, but I was just ready to be done, I wanted it. This is where I feel folks fail at quitting…they simply don’t want to. You have to want to fight off your addiction every day, no matter the pain involved or you won’t be successful at it. And you have reinforce your reasons each day or temotatemp will derail you. This site here, packed with a lot of good people and good info was a big reinforcer during my dark time.
      I want to also thank you for diffusing some things too👍
      -JP
      07-15-14

      1. Day 293

        Bingo JayP. I have failed more than I can count. You cannot succeed unless you want to. Your want should not be because of health, family, money etc. You want to because what you are doing is unnatural and this is not how we are intended us to function. This WANT to quit has to get deep into your mind. I have failed multiple times in the past to get this KEY lesson into me.
        So what did I do differently this time? Keep reinforcing what made me quit and whatever misery I am enduring that this too shall pass. The desire and fascination sometimes be an overwhelming feeling and I just allowed it to take it’s course rather than trying to fight it off.
        In spite of all these, somedays I just felt like I’ll drop everything down and go back to the olden days but that is when I used to post here and you guys were always there to pick me up. Words cannot express my feelings for you folks. Thank you once again.

        Shiva

        1. You hit it dead center Shiva, if the “want” isn’t there, you will RUN back to your safe place when the going gets rough. And it has to be about YOU. I have tried to tell people, if the “want” isn’t there …you will not succeed. It DOES as you say, have to.come from deep from within YOU and be reinforced over and over again or you will fail.
          There will come a time, when you don’t need to reinforce it as much. I think this.is why many stop.coming around…I know I took a break. But I felt (and do as I type now) “I got this”. I think this is when helping others, when you can, reinforces your quit. I read the new guys stories all the time, it reminds me of why I quit and why I will NOT ever partake in this terrible habit again.
          You are absolutely correct….if you don’t want it….you will turn back.
          Hope you are well Shiva!!
          -JP
          07-15-14

          1. I am doing alright for the most part, JayP. Nearing 3rd floor, almost.. The only issues I still have with is anxiety. I don’t think so this is an outcome of quitting but is probably there always and was masked by nicotine. I am not taking any medications but is reasonably controlled. I kind of panic when I wake up in the morning and usually settle down in next 30-60 mins. Other wise, I am ok.
            One more thing, my sleep level has gone down though it doesn’t affect any of my normal day-to-day activities. I used to sleep for couple of hours in afternoon usually during the weekends. I am unable to any more. Even if I am dead tired and doze, I wake up in 10-15 mins in a panic ridden state :(.

          2. Hey Shiva, good to hear from you. I want to say, give it more time. I remember when I went through that phase and I came back in here and told you guys about it. I was ranting and panicking, couldn’t sleep and all that jazz. This was during the mid 200s too. You guys told me to take it easy “it will pass” remember? Sure enough man, I hit a year and continued, those things pass. Now it is kind of boring, so i have to look out to not fall back in. I say boring because there are no more symptoms, sounds crazy huh? but after spending all those days worried about something being wrong with you, then nothing happens, then you say, now what?
            Enjoy your worry days man, after that comes boredom.

            Happy Holidays ya’ll.

            DDD
            423 Days

          3. Congrats on almost floor 300 Shiva, keep climbing!
            And I hear ya regarding the anxiety and I definitely feel I still have bouts of it here and there. It’s my opinion, I am now dealing with my stress and problems, without the nicotine, so things feel more intense.
            I never knew anxiety until a year and a half BEFORE my quit. I had a lot of stressful, life situations going on and my mind must have said “enough”. Worries turned into anxiety. After a while, I got on meds, for about 6 months. After I felt like I got a grip on things, I got off meds, decided to get back to running and lifting weights again. Then decided to shed some weight, then ultimately, I decided to quit my almost 30 year tobacco habit. A lot of changes in a very short 2 year period.
            I still deal with bouts of anxiety today Shiva. I have learned to live with them and NOT turn them into full blown episodes. My punishment for masking my problems with nicotine for years I guess.
            But I am going to tell you, I read a book while I was on meds. I credit this book of getting me off meds and giving me a better understanding of my situation. Every student studying mental health, doctor, social worker, psychologist should be required to read it. It’s called “At Last a Life” written by Paul David. I don’t think it’s very well written, but is FULL of insight on what you’re going through. If you like reading (and I know it’s hard to focus with anxiety), it’s worth the read.
            Though anxiety can kiss my ass, I do have to give it some credit, it eventually led me to my quit.
            “Chaos is peaceful, when you stand quietly and watch”
            Wishes for some anxiety free days to you Shiva! They will come…it will pass
            -JP
            07-15-14

        1. I just think it’s inability to see this habit, is as strong as a heroin addiction. It’s probably the toughest thing I’ve ever got away from. And I will say, it’s the most selfish thing I used and quit. It was all about ME and no one else.
          I think it’s hard for folks on the outside of this terrible habit to comprehend.

      2. DDD. Jayp
        I remember I was the exact same. I woke up that morning and said I had enough. Something overcame me to quit. I was sick of the entire process to be honest. The spit cups, the basic process I was done. I think that’s helped me allot. I just had enough of it all. I didn’t find this site until I was 20 days into the quit.

        I am glad I kicked it’s ass. When I see someone with a dip I look at them like. Gross. It’s not attractive at all

        Anyways. Have a great holiday season. Quitters

        Jeffj
        8-14-14

        1. Amen Jeff!
          Yup, I was just tired of the lifestyle. And I do not regret any of my quit.
          If any of you newbies read this you CAN do this, if you WANT it. I won’t lie, it was hard, but if you want it, you will be successful.
          Happy Holiday Jeff!
          Dam Wolverines 😠
          -JP
          07-15-14

    2. Day 300 today, and feeling really good. I quit because I was sick of chewing. My son had started when he was 17, and no doubt that I was a bad influence for him. I wanted to encourage him to quit, but I couldn’t do that we me still chewing. I have had some rough months, but wouldn’t go back for anything. You have to have the desire to quit, and if you have found this site, you are already thinking about it. Read all you can here, join a quit group, and be prepared to feel miserable for awhile. It will get better, I am sure of that, and it will be worth the misery.

  15. Hey Thrash, welcome back. I too was here five years ago and got suckered back into dipping again. For four years I dipped until I quit last year. I am now on day 421. The second time seemed a lot harder for me too. There are some guys that say the opposite, but everyone is different. You know the routine, hang in there.

    DDD

  16. I quit before for over a year and somehow got suckered into a cigarette at the bar while I was piss drunk. This lead to me apparently getting a can of chew on the way home as I detest cigarettes. Dont remember it but I sure as hell did it. I couldnt believe I was that weak. That was 5 years ago. Now here I am again. I quit chewing Thursday December 12th for the second and last time. I dont remember it being this hard the first time.

    My irritability has been astronomical. People in the grocery or in church with their loud ass kids that wont shut the fuck up. Screaming at the top of their lungs constantly. Yesterday was day 3 or as I will call it from now on “I want to break the worlds neck” day. Everything got to me. I couldnt think straight. I was spilling my drink. I got pizza sauce on my favorite shirt. I maintained.

    Today was a lot easier irritability wise but now I cant sleep. Its driving me nuts. My job requires my brain to be active and not getting sleep has really been bothering me. Does anyone have any solution for this or is it yet another annoying thing I’m just gonna have to grind out?

    1. Welcome back Thrash and congrats on taking on your quit again.
      You know “how” you failed in the past, this will be helpful ahead.
      Come here often, there are a lot of folks who will help. Good Luck!
      -JP
      07-15-14

  17. Hey all,

    I’ve been meaning to update for a while now. I saw a comment from a user on another thread asking if depression will ever go away and it motivated me to respond and help him out. I figured I would take part of that post here and provide you all an update and check it to see how you’re doing.

    Finally, I feel like myself again…actually a new and improved version!!

    I’m on Day 272. The good news is that the depression does fade away. I can tell you in my experience, man it was such a grind. Day after day, the depression was always there and it seemed like it would never go away. You hear guys talking about feeling better after 30 days, 100 days, 200 days…I was still grinding it out! I thought my energy would never come back. I couldn’t believe I was still tired all the time after 200 days of being quit! I did all the recommended stuff – more exercise, tons of sleep, meditation, exercise, vitamins, etc. In the end, I truly believe the thing that helped most was time. I tracked everything I did as well – my mood, my depression, anxiety, eating habits, etc. I can safely say that around Days 235-240 is when I finally started to turn a corner. Depression is now completely gone, energy is back big time. I’m like a whole new person – all it took was time. I’m sure all the “best practice” stuff I did helped, and they’re all good habits anyway, but time was the biggest healer in my opinion (that’s the whole rewiring and dopamine reset that you referred to).

    I can also say that I’m better than I ever remember myself being before dip. I’m hopeful that since it’s been over a month of feeling this way that I’m over the hump, but I’m still vigilant that issues could pop up. Some things just take time and there are guys out there who will go through this stuff for a year or maybe more.

    Everything is better – I can actually focus on work and getting things done (I’m not in a constant state of fog/zoning out on what I need to do), I don’t need 10+ hours of sleep every night plus a nap during the day, less stress/anxiety, 0 depression, I have energy, motivation for life and the list goes on.

    Part of me feels like guys should start at 300 days (or even a year) and count backward. If you feel better before then, great. We talk a lot about the 100 day mark as being a big milestone and it most certainly is, but I personally feel there’s a lot that you’ll need to grind through after that before you get back to normal. It’s also a matter of expectations – if we look to 100 days as when we should be “quit”, you’ll start to feel disappointed when you hit 100 days and still feel like shit. As the days linger, you may start to question it: “shouldn’t I feel better by now? Maybe I’ll never feel better? Maybe it’s different for me and I’m just not capable of healing?”

    If you go into your quit thinking it takes 300 days to heal (yes it’s a lot more daunting than 100 days but I think it’s a more realistic expectation) then you won’t be disappointed when you still feel like shit after 100 days. Hell, most of the other stuff I read online talked more about 30 days and you’ll be back to normal! I also think from the conversations of the more active guys on this thread, it’s taken to around this time to start feeling significant changes. Maybe we could get an updated timeline or post on the site to reflect some of these thoughts and I could help with the write up. I know this is just me speaking from experience, but did your depression really go away at 100 days? Anxiety? Energy come back? etc. 100 days is just a guideline and I get that, but I think some additional info could be helpful to new quitters out there or those currently in the trenches.

    That’s my rant for the day gents!

    Shiva, DDD, Carey, JP, JEFFJ how are all you guys doing?

    -CAL

    1. CAL, that was a great Post. You know, everyone is different in the way you recover from abusing this shit. I for one, was happy to get to the 100 day mark and as you said, it IS a big milestone, especially for folks like me that dipped a can-can and a half for almost 30 years. But, did my symptoms suddenly stop at the 100 day mark? No. I had so many ups and downs up to and after, that 100 day mark. I want to say for me, it was well into the 200’s before I started feeling “normal” again (whatever the hell Normal is). I guess that’s when the ups were more than the downs.
      I think this site tells you to “shoot” for 100 days, but the battle isn’t over from there. I still hung around here for a while (still do, 5 years later). It DOES help, to help others who are in their downs. I had people do that for me and I try to pay it forward here.
      I’m pretty well these days, I do not fantasize about nicotine anymore. I can hang around with dippers and it has zero affect on me these days. In fact, I often wonder why such a gross habit had so much control over my life. I didn’t see it back then, but I do notice how gross this shit is now. The fact of the matter is, like you are starting to see, I am just a better “me” without that stuff.
      You keep on keeping on, refreshing to see another quitter throwing down some knowledge out here👍
      -JP
      07-15-14

    2. Hey Cal, great to hear you are feeling much better. You are 100% correct, the struggle doesn’t end after 100 days, it is more like a gradual separation of symptoms and a slow journey into a different way of life. This is strange, because you are actually going back into the life you once had before the nicotine. For years tobacco is the center of the life of an addict, since it doesn’t kill us, we continue doing it and everything revolves around it. They say that tobacco residues are completely gone from the body after a few days, but the actual addiction in the mind is what we struggle the most. That might be true, but after gone through it like yourself and all others in here, I think there are some real physical damage that gets done. Anxiety, depression, blood pressure, and who knows what else are some of the results the body expresses while it heals itself. Keep getting better.

    3. Hey Cal,

      It’s good to hear that you are doing better! I’ve been following most of you since my quit 248 days ago. You all have helped me more than I can express on here. I too made a turn for the better at day 213 – 240. At 241 the anxiety/depression was back, although it was mild, it was very bothersome having gone for weeks feeling so good. Now on day 248 I’m doing much better again.

      What I can take from my experience so far is that, of all the many symptoms I’ve battled in the last 248 days (and there have been many) is that as slow as it has been most all symptoms are now gone. The only two mentioned above are occasional at best, and less intense.

      I now have my sights set on day 365. I just know that it gets better with time as you mentioned Cal. Thanks Jayp, Cal, Shiva, jeffj, DDD, and many others who’ve made this fucked up journey more bearable just by being here. I’m happy to be a part of this quit with you all today!

      – Carey-
      Apr. 3, 2019

    4. Cal and the rest of you bad ass quitters!

      First. Happy holidays to all of you.

      Take a look at what all of you have done this year… you accomplished a goal that was as hard as it gets: I read many post over this year and almost all of you kicked the nic bitches ass. I say congratulations on your battles

      New quitters. You have an enormous amount of veteran help here to help… once you jump in our playground. We will help you as much as we can

      Jeffj
      8-14-14

    5. CAL,
      I am in total agreement with your comments. I am on day 292, and I really didn’t feel consistently better until after about 250 days. Before that, I would have a good day or two, but seemed like anxiety always came back along with other strange aches and pains. After 250, I started having complete weeks with no symptoms, with just mild anxiety that lasts a few minutes. I chewed for 32 years, so I expected it to take time for everything to go away. Things are much better now.

      1. 286 days

        First of all happy holidays gang.. It was understandably quiet for a few days :)..

        CAL – What a great post!!! I 100% agree with you. I think the first 100 days gives us the belief and tools that this can be conquered.
        Speaking out of my personal experience, the intensity of depression and anxiety started to go down after 200 days although I had one big funk around 250 days. Depression is almost gone but I still have some anxiety issues though it is much better now. I don’t get a panic attack but within an instant I go into fight or flight mode with all my rage hormones for even the slightest provocation. I am at least able to get these into a control within the first few mins..

        Carey/ WV_Quitter – Nice to see you guys around my mark and doing great with the quit. It is very heartening to see you guys are almost out.

        DDD – you kick ass being 400+.. I had a similar dream last night except that it was smoking than dipping. I don’t get dip dreams any longer but I still get smoking dreams once in a while. I was first a smoker and then later a hardcore dipper. Somehow smoking got embedded deep into my brain and I need to slowly kick it out. Keep going

        JayP / Jeff – A big kudos to you for hanging out and helping us all out.. Thank you so much guys..

        Shiva

  18. 414 Days
    Mondays are rough, hope everyone is doing good. I, on the other hand, not sure what is going on. I had a very real dream of me dipping. I could taste it, i could feel it, i would spit just like in the days of dipping. I could feel the buzz and the ocassional nausea associated with it. I woke up feeling guilty and bad, and then I felt better after realizing it was just a dream. I think the dream came about because I was around smokers and the smell of tobacco stuck in my mind until i went to bed. In any case, I did not dip and I quit another day with you all.

    1. DDD, I still have them on occasion myself. The act of doing it, then awake, relieved it was just a dream.
      You’d think, over 5 years removed, they’d be gone, no such luck.
      I actually welcome them now, it only further supports my desire to stay quit.
      Hope everything else is well.
      Take Care!
      -JP
      07-15-14

      1. Thanks JayP, I thought I was the only one having these dreams. But like you said,”You welcome them now” to reinforce your quit. I think I will do the same, instead of feeling shame, I can use them to solidify my tenacity. Glad I came in here and got once again, what I needed from you guys.
        You All take care.
        DDD

    1. I quit 11/17/19 after 35 years. A few cravings but i feel so much better i am never going back. My heartburn is gone and my sinuses are clearing up. I am with ya in spirit boys.

      1. DDD, welcome to the 4th! You keep climbing them stairs!
        Happy Thanksgiving all you bad asses dropping that nasty habit!
        And Jeff, I’m always cautiously optimistic for The Game
        This year, Ohio gets the benefit of possibly losing AND still playing for a B10 Championship (thank Ronnie Bell at Penn State).
        But Michigan has nothing to lose and all to gain, we’ll see.
        Take care all!
        -JP
        07-15-14

    2. Day 10 .
      I don’t think I miss the nicotine, I miss the ritual .
      Going to bed early and getting a full night’s sleep .
      Jake’s pure mint chew is eventually going to have to go , but for now it gives my hands something to reach for after meals

  19. Day 388

    Ok guys I am not going to sugar coat it. Yesterday I went inside the convenience store in the middle of nowhere. In my mind I was thinking, no one is watching me, I could just buy that tin can and enjoy a big fat one. I got tempted big time. It is been a year and usually I don’t think about it anymore, but last night’s crave came out of the blue and it tboned my quit big time. I don’t know how I dragged my carcass out of there without buying that can. Instead I bought a six pack of beer and went home. I enjoyed a few, had dinner and all, while I was watching TV, I had another monster Crave. I really thought about going to the store again. I am not sure if it is the cold weather that is triggering these late craves since it was a year ago that I took my last dip and I remember it was a cold daY.
    Anyway, I am glad I did not cave and I post again that I will not dip another day with you all.

    10-22-2018

    1. Day 246

      DDD, hope you stayed strong bro. It’s just a bump on the road. I’m not quite at your level yet but I imagine you got to that comfortable place where you’ve been quit for so long that you forgot how terrible those early days were. Take a few minutes to really think about it – the depression, anxiety, fog , fatigue and all the other awful symptoms. Read back through your old posts if you have to. You grinded through everything and now you may be tempted to go back because you’re finally feeling good again. Don’t do it man, the only thing that will happen is you’ll start dipping again then at some point you’ll be back on here trying to quit and you’ll be starting from Day 0. You’ll have to go through absolute hell again and it will be even harder the next time around. No worries of having to go through that shit again if you stay quit!

      We are here for your support, check back in when you get a chance.

      -CAL
      3-13-19

      1. Thanks Cal
        You are absolutely right, It is the boredom of the quit. I even read that in one these posts, it just caught me off guard.
        Anyway, happy to report that there was no cravings yesterday, as a matter of fact I was at a gathering with friends and family and I just blurted out it’s been 388 days since I quit, a year and a month almost. Dudes congratulated me, the way they carried on you would think I’d graduated from school or something.
        Anyway, guess they were happy for me.
        The same way we are of each other in here, everyday we stay off the nicotine is a victory, Enjoy it people!!
        I quit with you all today.
        Day 389

  20. Day 387
    Today we got our first freeze, traffic is a mess, our illustrious state and city governments do not have winter budgets like other states, so a little freeze grinds our cities to a halt. Anyway, good to have a break from the hellacious summers down here in the south.
    Just wanted to say, hello to everyone and make sure you all are still quit, for those of you just starting, keep going, it does get better. Jayp called me a Pro already, feels kind of good really. A year and 22 days. Not too bad, but now looking forward to the 400 day mark.
    Shiva, how are you liking your motorcycle? JeffJ, have you finished working on your classic car? Cal, you said you had a new addition to the family, how’s that going? Hope to hear good news everyone.
    Take care.

    1. DDD. It’s 75 and clear here, went golfing today ( sorry jayp) but this is the best time of the year. Perfect t weather

      I will never finish my Laguna s-3. It’s a labor of love. It’s ready for paint so time to save up.

      Next week I go to beautiful Cincinnati. Cold. Weather for a few days. The get back to southern Cali

      You boys take care and keep the fight going

      Shiva. Mail call

      To my Marine brothers sunday was the Marine Corp b day. Semper fi to my Marine brothers

      Jeffj
      8-14-14

      1. 19 degrees an about 9 inches of snow in Michigan….so enjoy that 70 degree weather Jeff. Cincinnati shouldn’t be bad, I hear they still get a lot of the gulf stream in that city. Safe travels.
        Good seeing both you and DDD out here….by the way, DDD, you made it back, and are now over a year quit …I’d definitely put you in veteran status. Keep up the good work👍
        -JP
        07-15-14

        1. Semper fi Jeff – 259 days and going strong.. Have a nice time in Cincinnati.. This was the first ever city I landed in US :).
          My current funk has ended (yay…. 😁) and again in a period of blissful calmness..
          DDD – My motorcycle is awesome.. still in running-in period and I am not exceeding 100 KMPH (~60 mph).. Waiting to cross the running-in period to unleash the beast 🙂

          Guys – the next 3 months are the most amazing period in my city… Days at 80-85 and nights at 60-65.. (sorry JAYP :D).. My city (Chennai) is in the southern part of the country and is around ~900 miles from equator in a straight line (by comparison LA is around ~2300 miles from equator in a straight line )… so you guys know how excited I am getting for winter.. some of us pay hands and legs to go to Northern India (Himalayas) to see snowfall :)..

          CAL – Hope you are doing good.. keep us posted…

          Have a great time, everyone.. holiday spirits are at an all time high.. so watch out..

          1. Now I have Shiva rubbing it in lol…I’m literally looking out the back window of my house at a foot of snow on the table outside. You guys might want to “see” the snow…but I bet you wouldn’t want to live in it.
            900 miles from the equator? Closest I’ve came to the equator is 1,255 miles, visiting Jamaica. I bet it gets HOT there!
            Be good Shiva and also careful on your 2-wheeler👍
            -JP
            07-15-14

          2. Lol JayP.. true I had my share of snow when I lived in NJ.. :).. it gets miserably humid in the summer months here.. and hot as well… my city lies on a thermal equator.. a place having the highest annual mean temperature along the longitude.. meaning not much seasonal variation

          3. Shiva

            Yes. Waited all year for this time of year . I am in riverside California, we usually get just a few months of heat. Now it’s awesome

            You kicked butt shiva. Your one year will be here soon. Next time in calif. let me know. We should meet for a coffee.

            I go back to China in March which is nice that time( Shenzhen)

            We should trade emails. If anyone wants to see my progression on my classic car

            Let me know
            Mine is jrj430@yahoo.com

            Jeffj
            8-14-14

          4. Mine is
            Brewbrewha4me@aol.com
            I love the classics. It may not be to a lot of you, but I own an 87 Mustang GT myself. Will be tearing out the 32 year old carpet this winter, replacing the heater core and an alternator upgrade too. Still trying to get this dam deck railing finished. This foot of snow is supposed to melt next week, it’ll be a balmy 40 degrees 😂
            Take care!!
            -JP
            07-15-14

          5. Absolutely Jeff… I ‘ll send a note next time I am travelling to LA and we should catch up.. Has a work need around end of Jan/ early Feb but has to go through budget approvals and whatnot.. hope it comes through..
            Mine is shiva.nf@gmail.com..
            ROFL JayP… may be 40 Centigrade :)..

            DDD – Hope your late season funk is under control.

            Just sharing something – My Dad is close to 4 years completion come this Dec 31st. He was ~10 cigarettes a day smoker and 3-4 dips a day. He is 74 and was a nicotine addict since he was 18.
            He is now completely out of it now.. He just wonders why on earth he was smoking all these years :).. BTW, except my wife no one in my family knew I was an addict :(…

          6. Hey guys, glad everyone is in here chatting away, and yes my late cravings are under control. Today I am on day 390, wow, 10 more days to the fourth floor.
            I do not have an antique car, but I do own a 25 year old GMC pickup. Everything is still original, I added some aggressive mudding tires and new rims, but other than that it is still as I bought it brand new, off the delivery truck, still had the factory plastics on the seats.
            I drove that truck all over the land until i got to the oceans and back. Anyway my email is osflors@gmail.com in case you guys want to drop a line sometime. Take care and enjoy the weekend.
            DDD

  21. Today marks 6 weeks without a dip, I’m 23 years old and have dipped for a little over 7 years, I’ve been reading some of the comments and they have helped. I don’t have the craving for a dip, it’s just the anxiety/depression that’s the hard part. I have my good days and my bad days. But when there bad, there pretty bad. Any suggestions?

    1. Hi Brick, I was the same. I’m just past 7 months now. No cravings, just symptoms, mostly anxiety/depression just like you. There were other symptoms, but the most bothersome were the two mentioned. It does get better, and I know that is easier said than done. When I had anxiety/depression I thought it would never go away, but it will. It will come in waives, and sooner or later the good days will far outweigh the bad. Hang in there and let it take it’s course. Try exercising, it really helped me. Good luck.

          1. I have started exercising, not gonna lie yesterday was a pretty rough day… about to head into work hoping for the best

  22. Hey Tim, Welcome.
    It ain’t easy, but it’s not impossible. Just stick with it and take it one day at a time. There is life without Dip.
    I am on day 382, but i started just like you and all the others in here.
    Hang in there and tell us about your journey.

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