What To Expect When You Quit Dipping

What To Expect When You Quit DippingSo you want to quit. And you would like to know what it’s like. We’re not going to pull any punches around here, it’s tough. That’s why we’re all here.

Days 1 through 3 – Pure hell. You will walk in the fog. Nothing will seem real. Your brain is wondering where the hell its fix is and it is going to punish you until you come up with it. 72 hours, that’s all you need to get the nicotine out of your system. This is where you start to deal with the physical withdrawal associated with quitting dip. Drink lots of water. Read, post, read and post. Don’t take your anger out on your loved ones. We always tell everyone………Make this quit about YOU. If you quit for your wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, kids, mommy or daddy, you will resent them during this period. Quit for yourself and come in here to rant. Yell at us. Bitch at us. We can take it. We’ve been there.

Days 4 through 20 – Here comes the mind games. The nicotine is out of your system now. You will still have some physical things to deal with.

  • Cravings
  • Irritability
  • Insomnia
  • Fatigue
  • Inability to Concentrate
  • Headache
  • Sore throat
  • Constipation, gas, stomach pain
  • Dry mouth
  • Sore tongue and/or gums

Yep, you have this to look forward to. Your brain is rewiring itself. It isn’t used to being in an oxygen rich environment. Your body is responding in kind. Everything is a mind game now. All the cravings you have are actually due to triggers. Triggers are events where you are in a situtation you would normally dip in. Mowing the grass, playing poker online, playing golf, working on the car………you get the picture. Keep drinking water, use seeds, the fake stuff, whatever you need to keep the dip out of your mouth. Remember, oral fixation is part of our habit, something you will eventually need to break. For now though, use all the tools you have.

Days 20 – 50 – You’re winning. Life isn’t great, but you probably had a couple of nights where you actually got some sleep. You might notice you’re going to bed earlier than you normally do. Not staying up to get in that last dip. You may notice some sores in your mouth. You’re thinking, “great, I quit dipping and now I have cancer.” You almost certainly don’t. Your mouth is healing itself. Tiny ulcers you’ve had for a long time are healing. We recommend you visit your dentist around the 30 day mark. Don’t be a pansy, just do it. He or she will be very supportive and they can explain the sores much better than we can. Don’t let your guard down. Don’t go out drinking with the fellas or the girls. We also recommend that you don’t drink for at least the first 50 days. Drinking is a huge trigger event and it weakens your resolve.

Days 50 – 70 – Cruise control. Life is really good. You still think about it, but this is good stuff here. Some people may suffer anxiety attacks during or a little before this stage. Some doctors say we dipped to relieve anxiety anyway. Some people can push right through this, others need a little help. Talk to your doctor before you quit or immediately after you quit. They will know what to do. Some give Wellbutrin or Lexapro. Lots of people in the support community take or have taken these medicines and can help you with the affects. Don’t wait till you get to this stage of the game to talk to a doctor. You’ll cruise through this stage much easier if you know how to take care of the anxiety or at least know it’s coming.

Days 70 – 90 – Late term craves, the doldrums, the blahs, the blues. Some people end up feeling like they are right back at day 1. The fog, the haze, the craves. It can be a tough time. You need to let people in your group know this is happening. Time to circle the wagons to get through it. It usually only lasts a few days. Fight through this and make sure your order your HOF Knife or Coin. Here are a couple of articles about this time period which we refer to as “The Funk”

Days 90 – HOF – Houston, resume the countdown. Enjoy the hell out of these last 10 days. You will be celebrating with your group as you all enter the HOF. It is a great feeling and an accomplishment you should not take lightly. Do something special for yourself and your family. They put up with your sorry ass for the last 90 days and they deserve something too.

100+ Days – Stay vigilant. Use the tools you have, to continue beating back any cravings or urges. You will still experience dip dreams and longings, but you are fully qualified to beat them down. Continue to post roll with your group. Get into the newer groups and help somebody out. Pass it along. Live the dream.

Looking for info after 100 days? Check out What To Expect – 100 Days and Beyond

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  1. Thanks Cal and JeffJ, I think I figured out what was triggering the Dip crave. It was not my meeting with my friend, although i think it did to a certain point, but what was bringing those memories back was the water I was drinking. When I started my quit i started drinking lots of water and I read somewhere that cinnamon has some healthy properties so I started adding cinnamon to my water. Yesterday and today i’ve been drinking water and cinnamon so every time I would take a sip, the memory would get triggered.
    Now, the way I see it is you can run from your nemesis or confront it. I have been taking the bull by the horns in most other triggers sort of speak, so I have decided to continue drinking my water until the trigger is no more.
    Knowing your enemy is half the battle I say, it is still triggering the craves, but now I know what is causing it and I am killing it every time I sip my water.

    Have fun In China JeffJ

    Ya’ll have a good weekend.

  2. Day 327
    Hey Shiva, Jayp, JeffJ and Cal. Good to hear ya’ll are doing good. Today is Friday and wanted to share a little of what is going on before we hit the weekend. So I had lunch with an old friend and believe it or not it triggered a crave. Here is why, you see I hadn’t seen her since I quit dipping. I remember we usually would get together, had lunch and parted ways. Every time after that I would slam a big wad of dip in my mouth on my way home or back to work. Seeing her and having lunch must have triggered that crave. Now usually the crave goes away after a few minutes, this time I haven’t been able to shake it off since yesterday. I need help guys! I usually tell you all to excersise and drink water, but the crave is drilling into my brain. I can feel the taste on my teeth, tongue and mouth tissue, like it is craving it. I don’t know if that makes sense, but I can’t shake off that crave.

    • Day 185

      DDD,

      It makes sense and I understand.

      The big thing you need to remember with a crave is that a dip is not going to solve any problems – it’s only going to make things worse. Right now, it may feel like a dip will help but it will most certainly only hurt and lead you down a bad path. There’s no reason at all to do it, even if you think it will temporarily satisfy the voice/crave in your head.

      Remember that this is just a feeling or thought and it will pass. I noticed a few other recent posts you made saying you have had some triggers lately and I think maybe you’re becoming fixated on the thought of a dip. I’m not judging you at all man, that’s just what I think I see.

      You have come so far and worked extremely hard to get to day 327. If you cave and get a dip, you KNOW that you will be back on board trying to quit again soon after and guess what? You’ll have to start all over again and go through all that fog, low energy, depression BS that is mostly behind you. Maybe it’s a few minutes, few hours or few days, but as long as you stay strong, you’ll soon realize you made the right choice to not give in. Don’t let your brain trick you.

      From everything I read, this is one of the strongest addictions out there and having urges a year after you quit is completely normal. Keep fighting and plow through this part of your quit!

      Hope that helps, stay strong brother I will be on the lookout for follow up posts and am here for support.

      CAL

      3-3-19

    • Nice post DDD! You guys hang in there. Off to China for a week or so

      Jeffj
      8-14-14

    • I really can’t add more to this than Cal already did (great post Call), taking a dip ain’t gonna solve anything.
      Frankly, I’m surprised at 300+ days you still are having fantasies of still using. I certainly had small reminders of things I liked dipping with…but at 300+ days, there was absolutely no way (excuse my language) I was going to fuck up, what I un-fucked.
      You just have to “sack-up” in these situations. And may I even suggest, the fake stuff?
      Man, I know many say it’s a slippery slope, but it never was for me…and it possibly kept me from going back. Just 2 cents.
      KEEP AWAY FROM THAT SHIT!
      Have a good weekend DDD, be strong.
      -JP
      7-15-14

    • DDD – you know that better than me brother. It’ s nothing but a deep, distant memory inside your brain which was awakened and is now making a strong, desperate tantrum. It probably knows that you are stronger and more determined than this and it will probably be keep trying for a day or two. Once it realizes, you have thrown this shit for good and it is never ever coming back to your life, this will run away with its tail between its legs. We got your back brother. I too had many such instances where I fixated on a smoke. Somehow, I was able to throw away the thoughts of fantasizing dipping sooner and it took me longer for smoking.

      Cal/ JayP , thanks for taking time to write back. Your posts are wonderful and am really glad we’ve Cal in here as well. Cal keep writing. Blogging and venting out helped me a lot.
      Jeff – safe travels. We will chat once you are back.

  3. Day 196-

    Hello folks, time for a roll call. I am doing al right. Almost to the second floor. At this stage, the only thing I am still struggling with is anxiety. Even small incidents in day-to-day life is bringing my anxiety to the brim. It feels as if my anger level is always on the border and I am getting way too excited on the slightest provocation. I am not able to tolerate even the slightest things that seems out of order: for ex, people jumping line in a queue, some resident parking their vehicle in my parking lot, cars cutting in front of me aggressively in traffic etc..
    I just want my mind to settle down. It is not like everyday is like this.. After 100 days there are many calm and peaceful days but there are few days like the above.
    Healthwise, I am down with sinusitis and I am having some temporary hearing loss an dmild tinnitus (don’t know if these are related to anxiety in any way).

    On a positive note, I bought a new motorcycle (Royal Enfield Interceptor 650) as a gift to me :D… While waiting in the showroom to complete delivery formalities, I had a very strong craving after a long, long time. Don’t know why but it lasted for a couple of mins though.

    Jeff – think you are in travel now. Msg us once you are back from China
    JayP – Just a hi. Hope you are doing alright
    DDD – as usual awesome posts, keep them coming. I enjoy it tremendously and it is very informative.

    Cal/Carey – hope you guys are doing alright. Keep posting your progress.

    Shiva
    2-28-2019

    • Day 183

      Hey Shiva – Thank you for sharing your progress, congrats on day 196 and on the new motorcycle!

      The anxiety is a tricky one. It’s tough for me to comment on it, because I’ve dealt with some form of anxiety for a while now even before I dipped to some degree and while I dipped. So having anxiety after quitting for me…well I’m not sure if it’s just how I am normally or if it’s made worse by the withdrawal process. I did have more issues with getting easily angered probably up to around day 100, but those are just about gone for me. On a side note, if my day to day anxiety ultimately lessens as a result of the quit, that would be an amazing and unexpected benefit, at least for me and my personal circumstances.

      I don’t want to read too much into it, but that craving you got makes a lot of sense to me. I would get cravings after I accomplished something or was really excited about something as well. I think it’s basically a memory of being used to “celebrating” anything with a dip. End of the work day? Dip. Game is on? Dip. Had a great meeting at work? Dip. Maybe because it was such an exciting and rewarding moment for you, your brain naturally went back to thinking of dip.

      As for an update on my journey, I am hanging in there. It seems like the 160’s, 170’s and now 180’s have been brutal on me. It’s been a while since I felt the “wow, I feel good today!” and I do remember several of those those moments, day and weeks throughout my quit so far. Overall, my mood has been very flat, almost no motivation to really do anything and low energy. I am sticking to some of the advice you guys gave me regarding exercise. I’m walking more, and doing regular push ups/situps/stretches nearly every day. I am also in physical therapy for small issue I had with my neck from sitting at the computer in bad posture, so that’s 1-2 days a week of exercise and stretches as well (and a nice neck massage!). I sleep great, no trouble sleeping at all. I’m usually getting between 7.5-9/hrs of sleep every night so I really can’t complain there.

      Haven’t had a crave in a while which is good. I am really starting to feel very distant from dip, like it was a part of my life a long time ago even though it’s only been about 6 months. This is a good feeling, but I remain vigilant in case a craving does pop up.

      Anyway, I’m pushing through, hopefully it’s just a matter of time before I start to get better. I look forward to the 6 month mark on Friday and then on to the second floor at day 200 shortly after.

      CAL

      3-3-19

    • Shiva, a hi back, I am doing just fine, thanks!
      You know, I don’t know if it’s years of abusing nicotine that causes those anger issues. I do know, since I’ve quit dipping over 5 years ago now, my irritability and inpatients, has went from zero to asshole pretty quick these days. It could he I’m getting older, but I had always thought, you calm down as you age.
      But I read your comments and others out here and wonder if that junk doesn’t somehow do a lot more damage than we all know about.
      I read tinnitus is something many deal with after quitting. I am actually in the middle of testing for some things, 20% hearing loss my left ear, is the finding so far…MRI to follow.
      But reading yours and others on here…it just makes me wonder if this shit messes with more than is known.
      I apologize for.not being here as often, I do read each and everyone of your guys posts out here…even the new guys. I’m proud of you all, keep at it men!
      -JP
      Day 1,884

  4. Day 319

    Just a quick note to let you guys know that one of my posts made it to the “WORDS OF WISDOM” forum. Here is the link:

    https://www.killthecan.org/just-give-it-a-try/

    Keep up the good work quitters.

  5. Day 318
    Ok Boys here I go with yet a new trigger i experienced this morning. It caught me by surprise because this doesn’t happen everyday to me anyway. So I am driving in to work and traffic slows down at a bottleneck, so I am looking around and I see the driver side door of this car next to me. There was this dried up nasty brown spill flowing down on the white paint. Instantly, it brought up a flashback of me pulling up next to my ex girlfriend at a red light. Her face of disgust was apparent and made it known to me too. “what the hell is that nasty spill on your door?” I knew exactly what it was right away, but played dumb and looked out the window, I replied, “it must have been a coke I chunked out the window earlier” I could tell she didn’t believe me, so i just punched it to get away.
    So back to this morning, I looked at the driver and there was this nice lady which led me to believe the stain was probably from coffee, but to me it triggered the crave. I started thinking about all the days driving to work and spitting merrily along. I thought 318 days quit, shouldn’t this be under control? Guess not, the memories come in involuntarily, but it is what we do that counts.
    Take care quitters.

    DDD
    Oct-22-2018

  6. Day 175

    I’ve been having fog, low energy and lack of motivation steadily for a few weeks now. Low energy and basically the inability to feel pleasure in anything is really getting me down lately. I really never expected withdrawal to last this long, but I’m hoping it’s near the end of my truly debilitating symptoms.

    Having low energy crushes me – I’m basically incapable of doing anything let alone being able to think clearly. I can barely face every day normal tasks let alone get motivated for anything outside of the norm. Sorry for the depressing rant gents, there have been some bright spots in between but I am really down right now. No craves or anything, that’s not an issue. Maybe it’s the last stand of my addiction trying to get to me? I know there are better days ahead!

    DDD – I can only vividly remember having 2 dip dreams during the course of my quit. Same scenario as you and feelings of guilt, but I guess they’re not as prevalent for me as they are for others…at least not yet.

    3-13-19

    • Cal – I hear you. I’ll probably let the seasoned veterans guide us. I have problems very similar to you. I think we miss the stimulant action of nicotine. I don’t crave either it’s just the dullness and lethargy feels irritating.
      What works for me though is bite it and pull through. Once I get started on any work how much ever tired I feel, after 10-15 mins I keep going and sometimes it amazes me the way I complete. When I used to be an addict, it is easier to start a work with a stimulant but it is difficult to keep focused with withdrawals.

      Other thing, hitting gym or just jogging everyday helps. It keeps my energy level at a decent state and helps with sleep.

      Day 189
      Shiva

      • Shiva – Thank you for your reply and wise words…I really needed to read them this morning! I think you’re right – I always relied on the stimulant to motivate me to do work and also to get energized/stay energized during social outings. It’s no real surprise then that I get tired around both of these situations without the stimulant. My brain is still re-wiring!

        You are right in that it feels irritating like it will never go away and you get sick of it. I’m tired of being tired. But it’s just a chemical imbalance that’s sorting itself out and it will pass.

        Thanks again Shiva, I am glad you replied to me.

        Day 176
        3-13-19

        • Cal
          Shiva is spot on!

          Omg. Getting tired of being tired.. I said exact same!

          Nothing really made me happy.. so I started walking. Allot. A quick pace was my way to push past this part of the journey. If your a younger guy, shiva is correct jog, hit the gym and hydrate.

          This worked great for me! I also would remind myself on how much I have kicked the nic bitch ass. I told myself many times how proud I was of myself.

          I can almost guarantee that cranking out a daily run or long walk will help you push past this part of your quite

          Try it for a week. Let me know

          I live in Southern California, so the weather is always good in the evening.for a long walk… I still do it!

          Jayp I hope will chime in

          Stay hydrated also is important

          Jeffj 8-14-14

    • Hey Cal, that’s one of the ways that nicotine calls for more and there aint no way around it, but to plow right through. Like JeffJ says, embrace the suck, know that what you are going through sucks right now, but it is for the better. What I did is no different than what others have done in here too. Hydrate, eat your veggies and exercise. These activities keep you focused on other things and motivate you to get off the couch and move on to the next stage.

  7. Good Job Connor! you got to the first floor, we expect to see you at the second floor, it gets better and easier from here. Also Don’t forget to work on your Hall of Fame Speech, we all submitted one. Ya’ll take care.

    DDD
    317 Days
    October-22-2018

  8. Day 100!

    Definitely some moments where I thought I would cave but I held strong! Will keep this going onto day 200. Anybody reading who’s on the fence, definitely worth it! I still crave one every now and then when I’m bored but fairly easy to dismiss. Watch out for those drunk/tipsy dip craves, as that’s the closest I got to picking up a can. Good luck everyone and keep on saving that cash!!

    5-25-19

    • Congrats Conner! Your on your way to complete freedom. Keep your guard up and enjoy life without the nic bitch

      Jeffj
      8-14-14

    • Connor – That’s awesome man, big congrats to you! 100 days is an amazing milestone. There may still be bumps ahead but knowing you got through the first 100 days will provide you with the strength, confidence and knowledge to keep going successfully.

      3-13-19

  9. Day 315
    Well boys I actually had a Dip dream last night. Almost a year into it, I could not believe it. I woke up all disapointed and feeling guilty, felt a little better when i realized it was just a dream, but a little concerned because it happened.

    It was very real, popping it in, feeling the buzz and slight burn, spitting it out on the ground. In my dream i remember thinking about KTC and felt really bad, I thought how am I going to explain? After all this time. That’s when I woke up.

    Have you older bros still have Dip dreams?

    • DDD
      I cannot remember my last dip dream. I think, for me, I had a few during that first year, but, now I feel as though I never chewed.

      I don’t think about it at all, maybe just lucky

      Jayp May have some insight

      Hang in there. Almost a year!!!

      Jeffj
      8-14-14

      • Hey Fellas,
        I too had dip dreams, I remember, like you, feeling guilty and thinking “I have to start all over again”. Like Jeff, I cannot remember the last time I had one though. Might of tapered off, year 1 or 2
        Totally normal for your first year…thankfully, it’s just a dream!
        Hope you all had a good holiday weekend!
        -JP
        7-15-14

  10. Day 185

    What a beautiful Saturday morning !!! No anxieties, no depression, nothing. Just peaceful and serene.. I wish this day goes on like this..

    Shiva

    • That is awesome Shiva.. The last two days have been so good, after several days of anxiety, and depression. When I’m having bad days it is hard to think that it will get better, and when I’m having good days it’s hard to think that the bad days can get me down so easily. I hope that you continue to beat the bitch back and have more and more better days… keep up the fight. Soon we will be thankful for our suffering, and enjoy a clear head without the poison.

  11. Gentlemen!!!

    Remember, this is no joke, this is as real as it comes, all of us here are fighting for our lives, our health and to regain control once again. Many depend on us.
    *****Hang in there soldiers, our battalion keeps getting stronger everyday.*******

  12. Thx everyone for the wishes. It feels surreal to cross half a year mark, how great it would be to touch 1 year mark :)!!! I feel very proud. This is so far my biggest achievement in my life.
    Cal, Carey – come on folks.. you guys have done a wonderful job and are not far behind me..
    Carey – I still have the same problem with morning depression and anxiety.. It goes fine for 10-15 days and I hit a trough for 3-4 days.. Feels like crap and again start improving.. The same cycle goes on for some time now.. I am doing meditation and deep breathing that immensely helps.. I go by JayP’s mantra.. This too shall Pass.. and never, ever going back to poison… Whether I live or die, I’ll do it in my own terms and never again a slave to this bitch.. I have gone through this path, failed and have come up again.. I don’t want to go through any of this again..
    I am still learning life without this poison.. I realise whenever I have a smoke dream or a dip dream, the next morning seems miserable with depression.. Probably some deep dreams or many different things happen during sleep which I am probably not even aware which is causing these morning anxieties..
    Another thing, I still need to learn is how to cope extreme stress. I hit my anxiety peak whenever I am under lot of stress.

    Good luck to all you guys..
    Shiva

    • Hey Shiva, good to hear from you.
      Definitely, Anxiety was the most troublesome side effect that i had to deal with. It is worth it though. The closer you get to the 1 year mark, you see that even that fades out into the background. Stress will always be around, but we can kick anxiety’s little virtual ass to the curb.

  13. Day 313
    Things are going well, just waiting for the rain, this summer heat is gotta go already.

    Hey Jayp i found an article that talks about you, here it is for anyone interested in using Chantix.

    https://www.killthecan.org/chantix-does-it-work-for-dippers/comment-page-1/#comment-86732

    DDD

    • Definitely not this JAYP, DDD….I never used Chantix, and did not use Cope..I was a Skoal user.
      I do have a story about using nic products to quit tho. I used NicoretteGum around 1996. I would mix it with regular gum, slowly reducing the amount of nic gum. When it was gone, I only used regular gum.
      About 6 months had passed, me and my buddies were up in Northern Michigan in the fall, salmon fishing in the rivers. We were all in our waders and one by one, all of them had their cans out thumping them, cracking the lids, popping in a big old fatty. I caved. “Toss me that can”. 18 years later, I came here and tried and successfully, quit.
      The difference? This time, I didn’t use the nicotine products to quit. I think it’s because I didn’t feel the “hurt” last time, that made it successful. I will never go through that pain again. And this, is what I think made the difference.
      Back to my doppelganger out here, I read Chantix is some bad stuff. Serious side effects for a lot of people who tried it.
      If you’re going to quit, there is no other way than cold turkey. Using nicotine, in any form, only prolongs your addiction. I’m speaking from experience. While I did quit using the gum, it did not last.
      Keep up the fight!
      -JP
      07-15-14

      • Oh boy, that stuff doesn’t sound like something I’d like to use. Everyone is different and it may work for some, but in my case I wanted to go cold turkey with no help from anything, perhaps that is why i failed the first time, who knows, but I am up this far and aint no turning back.

        Well, at least we know there’s another dude out there with your same “stage name”.

        Hang loose brother!

        • Yeah, I also noticed this other dude was talking about using chantix in 2015, I was well into my first year, clean, at that point.
          I actually posted a comment on that page after I seen it, thanks for the heads up.
          I don’t blame you, almost a year clean, don’t take it wrong, but at this point, the only reason you’d go back now, is by choice. You’re Free Now.
          Have a happy, nic-free-holiday weekend!
          -THE JP
          07-15-14

      • I did it cold turkey also. Was not fun, but I didn’t prolong the agony . Each one of us needed to fight the bitch anyway we could, with different methods.

        I am glad I went cold turkey… I will always remember the first month of sheer hell it was during my quit. I let let that terrible feeling burn real good… everlasting pain I thought at the time. When I see cope at 7-11 I just look at the can as misery

        Never again
        Jeffj
        8-14-14

  14. Good job Shiva, does it not just feel good to say that? “I am 6 months free of Nicotine”. Cal will be there shortly. For me in just a little less than 2 months i will be able to say I am a year off the bad habit and for Jayp and JeffJ well, they can proudly say, I am 5 years quit.
    Gentlemen, what we are accomplishing here is the labor of Titans, mighty warriors defeating the adversary that tried it’s best to end our health and lives. Be proud of your achievement and I am honored to say:

    I QUIT WITH YOU ALL ONE MORE DAY!!!
    Oorah!!

    10-22-2018

    • DDD. Semper Fi on your last post! You still motivate me, even as a 5 year veteran.

      Cal .. shiva. Keep fighting.

      I for one would love to hear from rookies. I know you are hear… talk to us on your good days and bad.

      We are all in this together. From someone who just quit or a 5 , 10 year vet

      Jeffj
      8-14-14

  15. Today I am completing 6 months of freedom and stepping into 7th month.

    – Shiva
    2-28-19

  16. Day 310
    only 55 days to go, Can’t wait to hit that first year mark. I wonder if the older brothers stop counting days after a certain point or do they continue with the count forever.?

    • DDD – Congrats on day 310, that in itself is an awesome accomplishment. And wow, the 1 year mark is right around the corner for you! That will be an amazing milestone.

      How are you feeling?

      I wondered the same thing regarding the count. I’m hopeful that at some point I’m not counting the days but rather thinking of it occasionally every few weeks, then months.

      Day 168

      • Hey Cal, feeling just fine. Seems like the symptoms subside for longer periods of time and if they do come up they seem very mild. For sure, it feels better than during the first hundred days. I am able to do the things that i used to do while dipping, but without feeling any cravings. All the struggles and suffering to get away from the NIC were worth it. Being “normal” again sure feels great.

    • DDD. Days turn into years ..

      I took slot of time off after my first year. Then came back. I am glad I did, but. I stopped counting days after a year.

      Just me

      Jeffj
      8-14-14

    • Hey DDD, just as Jeff said, I definitely kept track up until my first year. After that, it became hard to keep the counting going, unless I plugged my quit date into that counter on this website.
      I just ended up hijacking Jeff’s idea and posting my quit date, lol!
      Great Job, you are well on your way to your first year clean. You are speaking like a veteran every day, I see it. Keep up the good work and help these rookies out when you can. You never know what a positive comment can do for someone who is on the fence about quitting .
      Take car men, and keep up the fight!
      -JP
      7-15-14

    • Can’t speak for anyone else, but for me I keep counting and posting roll daily. It’s a small price to pay for staying clean. Day 4,784 – proud to be quit with you today!

      • Chewie!
        I need to download your counter and put it on my phone 😂
        All I know is Ive been quit for over 5 years, I’m quit today and will be quit tommorow 👍
        -JP
        7-15-14

  17. Day 305

    In 60 days it’ll be a full year of nicotine free life.
    Hey Cal, welcome to the club, writing here and sharing experiences of our quit help others that seek information or motivation to start their quit.
    Stay the course and remember, one day at a time.

    DDD
    October-22-2018

    • Hey DDD, thanks for the welcome and glad to be here!

      At day 305, what kind of symptoms if any do you feel? Any tiredness, depression or other physical/mental symptoms? Was there a range of days where you started to feel normal again? Apologies if you already posted this stuff I was digging through comments but figured I would ask. Trying to have something to look forward to when I get there!

      – Cal
      Quit date: 3-13-19

      • Hey Cal, yes, I’ve been writing in here almost everyday, in the beginning mostly about my symptoms and how crappy i felt.
        In my case, it seems that the first 100 days were the most brutal, but I wasn’t out of the woods just by passing that magical number. The mental triggers and physical symptoms still showed up every once in a while. I think I told someone that the body seems to do a reboot of all your systems after 100-150 days and it notices that the nicotine plus the other goodies are missing, so it starts kicking your brain to get them back into the body.
        So basically I went through another round of the symptoms like dizziness, foggy brain, blood pressure, the works. The body kicks and screams to try to get you to get back to it. If you survive this second round (days 180-280 for me) then the body starts to calm down. The triggers show up but very mildly and super short. The fog is gone and dizzy days are a thing of the past.
        The hardest symptom for me to overcome is Anxiety, doing research on it and nobody really knows exactly what it is, other than just unnecessary worry. I suppose I had it before, but didn’t notice it because it was suppressed by taking a pinch of tobacco. It is getting a lot better knowing that my body is healing, in the beginning the anxiety attacks came whenever i got dizzy or felt a pain somewhere so the thoughts of dying would come into my head and cause the panic. Now after several visits to the doctor and exams showing my progress the anxiety is reduced because I know it is just normal aches and pains and not a heart attack or brain tumor.
        What helps the most and I hear it from a lot of ex-addicts in here too is that exercise is key to a faster recovery. I’ve been exercising and trying to eat healthier and I’ve noticed that it does make a difference.
        I hope that helps.

        DDD

        • DDD – Thanks man, that’s very helpful. The anxiety can be really bad as well no doubt, but for me I had some of that before dipping and while dipping too, so those feelings weren’t as strange to me. Though of course they went into overdrive in the early part of my quit! I actually use a low dose (10mg) of beta blockers (propranolol) to greatly reduce the physical effects of anxiety. Basically, no matter how much you’re panicking in your head, your heart won’t start racing out of control or anything. As you said, once you start getting that dizzy feeling and your heart begins to race, it’s easy to spin out of control quickly. Ultimately, I believe you need to figure out how to get past those symptoms yourself without medication to truly heal, but the beta blockers are a nice short term or situational crutch. I also like them because they’re very mild, not addictive and safe – and they don’t mess with your brain chemistry like antidepressants and some other drugs on the market. Again, I’m no doctor that’s just my experience and two cents 🙂

          I’m hopeful that I won’t go through a fierce “round 2” during that time frame, but if so it’s good to know that someone else had that experience as well.

          -Cal

  18. Day 176 – Hello KTC’ers and dear Jeff, JayP and DDD. The nic free / shit free days are chugging along. I am nearing a major 6 month milestone :). Feels very happy and extremely proud.
    Last 15-20 days were not easy. I had some extreme work pressure at work and I have worked without a break for the last 10 days (~ 14 hours a day) and I am very proud to have crossed this stage without nicotine :). Stress is last of my emotion which I have a bit difficulty in handling without nicotine but I am doing much better. Had some mild fog, medium anxiety and mild depression back 10 days before but it has again gone down and things are looking better. As I said, i don’t think so the recovery is never straight. I like to think of the recovery phases as concentric circles (like planetary orbits) and you spend some time in a recovery orbit and progress to the next level.
    I believe this understanding will help us to keep us away from nicotine knowing that we will always always get better.

    Shiva

  19. Hey all,

    I’ve never done much except lurk on this site, but I come back to this post because of all the active comments. I wanted to share some of my experience because I know for everyone that posts, there are probably 100 more that just come to read. We’re all looking for reassurance that symptoms are normal and things will get better, so here’s some of what I’ve gone through. Currently on Day 162.

    – Many people talk about getting better after Day 100 or even before. That was not the case for me. It’s not meant to discourage or scare anyone, but I think it’s normal to not be yourself well after Day 100.

    – Here I am on Day 162 and I still get crazy bouts of intense tiredness, like fall down tired. I’m completely healthy, there’s nothing else wrong with me. Lots of literature on the web talks about 2-6 weeks of being tired and then it fades away; that definitely hasn’t been the case for me.

    – After 150 days, I did feel like I was over a big jump. I accepted the fact that although I wasn’t done healing, the next 150 days should be a hell of a lot better than the first 150 days.

    – I more recently (around day 150 range) started “feeling” things again in terms of emotion, laughter etc. I felt emotionally numb and disconnected for a long ass time.

    – Depression was really bad for me along with feeling emotionally numb. I would say it peaked between the 90-110 day range where I felt extreme sadness. I had to keep reminding myself it’s just chemicals out of whack and my brain rebalancing itself and that it would get better with time – and it did. I’m not myself yet, I don’t have lots of energy and I still don’t really take pleasure in the things I used to enjoy, but the sadness is gone and I feel like I can see the light.

    – I’m not a doctor, but my the brain rebalancing itself just seems to take longer for some people. Depends on how long you dipped, how often, your genetics, etc. I think part of it also depends on why you started dipping in the first place or why you continued to dip. Was it to help cope with anxiety, depression? Did it give you more energy? Yeah, all that shit comes back full force once you quit so I think if you’re someone who dealt with it more heavily prior to dipping, you’ll have a tougher time with recovery. No real science there, just my opinion.

    – Although I still get bouts of severe tiredness, I no longer feel the fog. Looking back at my notes (I kept a journal of sorts along the way), my fog was pretty much gone by Day 100. It’s come back mildly at times since, but it’s short lived. I’ve read on here some people say their fog went away in a few weeks and others are on day 200+ and still get it occasionally.

    – In terms of cravings, they still come up occasionally. But they’re much, much easier to dismiss. I always tell myself that having a dip won’t solve any problems and that if I do one, I’ll have 2 problems instead of 1 (I think I read that somewhere on this site and it really has helped me both in the early days and later on).

    That’s all I can think of for now. If anyone has questions I’m happy to help and will try to post here more regularly.

    3-13-19

    • Cal
      Great attitude!

      The journey is a bit different for all of us, it’s all a matter of time

      Keep the fight. Your in your way

      Jeffj
      8-14-14

    • Cal –

      What a great post!! Happy to see someone in my ball park :). The recovery phases you described are exactly the same I went through except I got them earlier in my case (worst of anxiety – 30-50 days, depression – till 70, worst of sadness phase – ~ 85 days). I am not yet in the same league as some of 4+ year veterans here but we will get there.
      Like I said, recovery is not linear and it gets better in octaves. Knowing that we will always get BETTER will help us to stay away from this filth.

      • Hey Shiva,

        Thanks for responding and for sharing those details! They’re very helpful and encouraging to me. And yeah it’s good to see someone in my ballpark as well!

  20. Day 304
    All is fine, just making a roll call. Has anyone heard from Shiva?!!! Dude, hope everything is all right.

    • Been a busy summer, new house , wife in school. My work, and dip free for over 5 years. What a great feeling.

      I hope everyone is good! I am dropping by to check on all you Warriors make sure all is good

      Shiva. Mail call buddy..

      Football season starts soon. I just hope my Go blue team can get it done. I need them in the rose bowl this year.

      Next month off to China for A few weeks for business..

      Jeffj
      8-14-14

      ddd. Good job man.

      • I’m checking in too!
        Seems all my brothers are, I’m free of the bullshit too, and will be!
        Was at golf league tonight, had a sub who is dialed into the Grizzly. He said he ran out and asked me for a fake one. I don’t have that in my golf bag anymore (probably should have a can)
        Found a guy to give him one but said to him, today is a great day to get away from that stuff. He’s not ready yet, but I hope in time my words will resonate. Again, people quit this habit when “they” are ready. You don’t quit this for anyone but yourself. It’s the most selfish thing you can do for “you”. It’s only about “you” and nobody else! Doesn’t mean you can’t.plant a seed tho.
        Alright, I’ve rambled long enough to, DDD, you and Shiva make us proud, keep on keeping on 👍
        -JP
        7-15-14

  21. Day 300
    Hey Connor, based on experience and by reading many posts of cavers, one dip, means one can and one can means at least one year and so on.
    Five years ago I started my quit with JeffJ, Jayp and Shiva and on day 99 that is exactly what I said, “Just one dip” from a can that was there. It turned into 4 years of dipping. I had to go through the whole detox process once again and it was not fun.
    The decision is yours, but if you take even one dip, you WILL have to start all over in your quit. DO NOT listen to that reasoning in your head, it is what we call the NIC bitch lying to you and trying to bring you down.

    Good Luck!

    DDD

    Date of quit: October-22-2018

  22. Day 84

    Still fightin the good fight. Went golfing today, couple of beers later and boy did I want one. Really, the only time the cravings come now are when I drink and I was very close to picking up a can for “just one.” Which I know is a lie I tell myself to try and justify it. But man one sounds good right now.

    Side question: Anybody have success having one occasionally while quitting? Like a friend offering one, so you don’t have to go buy a whole can? I feel like I could trust myself to just have one but if I got a whole can I think the whole process would have to start over and go back to square one.

    Great forum!

  23. Day 299
    In a little more than 2 months I’ll be tobacco free for 1 year. I hope the good lord allows me to live those days and more.
    The triggers are there, but somehow the hammer seems to be filed away. It feels good to be in control again. You see, no one and nothing is stopping us from just walking into a store, buying the can and pollute our bodies once again. In the beginning, we do restrain ourselves, but after a couple of hundred days without it and you don’t have to anymore. Hard to explain, but it is true. Life just happens and tobacco is not the center of my life. If you are here reading these posts and you just started your quit, congratulations!, the secret is to take it one day at a time.
    DDD

    • Keep your eye on the ball DDD, you will have no problem making your first year.

    • True story DDD, no one but yourself can keep.you accountable with your quit. It DOES become a lot easier a couple hundred days after…MUCH easier!
      I think what keeps you honest, or what kept me honest at your point was, I was almost to a year quit. I once made it 6 months, but caved and learned, one chew, equals one can. Quit mean quit. But I also knew how friggin hard it was to get away from this shit and the struggles that came with it. I wanted to make a year and beyond so bad and actually started to feel “normal” (whatever that is) without the stuff.
      As Jeff says, keep your eye on the ball (tho, I am still having trouble with this in golf after all these years, lol), and you’ll be fine. The way I seen it, at this point, you’d have to be pretty dam stupid to go back after all this time clean, you are done with that chapter. Maybe it’s a little.depressing, but as the years go on, you WILL know, it was the best decision you ever made for yourself.
      You keep busy DDD 👍
      -JP
      7-15-14

      • Jayp

        If Michigan can get past Ohio state. Rose bowl. Bring your clubs. We can hit a round and go to the game

        Jeff j
        8-14-14

        • I certainly will Jeff, been the plan for a very long time
          I’m saving my trip there for the next Rose Bowl
          Definitely been a long time coming!!
          -JP
          7-15-14

  24. Bravo!!!!

    Well Said Sir!!! Keep up the good fight.

    Oorah!!

  25. Thanks boys. 5 years. Wow.

    I still can’t believe it, I feel as if I never chewed in my life, although the battle scares will be with me for the rest of my life.

    I am proud of the battle I won vs the nic bitch, but I didn’t do it alone. Jayp, DDD, shiva,Rick.. I was never alone on my worst days . Just reading posts would help so much. At the time , I was the rookie behind you guys… it helped so much

    My wife rocks. Helped quit and was my care taker going through cancer.

    The battle is won. My body has rebounded as much as it can

    New guys. Just FYI. I always thought the other guy would get sick. Not me

    I am also on a throat cancer blog to help others with the battle that i endured

    8-14-14

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