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Fake Dip: To Chew Or Not To Chew

Fake Dip: To Chew Or Not To Chew
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I’m sitting up way too late and not working… This used to be PRIME chewing time.  Wife and kids are in bed,  I’m down in the basement watching Baseball Tonight with a big fattie in.  The difference is, tonight it’s a fatty of Hooch Snuff rather than Kodiak.

Fake Dip – Should You Use It?

Many people will say that there’s no way I should be still chewing the fake stuff over 1,000 days into my quit.  I say they couldn’t be more wrong.  I’ve said it hundreds of times… I’d rather chew a can of fake stuff per day for the rest of my life than EVER have another dip of Kodiak.  I’ll do quite literally whatever it takes to never have another dip.

So the logical question is… am I craving tonight?  Is that why I’m having some Hooch?  The short answer… nope.  I can honestly say that I don’t crave anymore.  But old habits die hard.  I stuffed Kodiak, Skoal, Cope, etc. into my pie hole every day for nearly 18 years.  There are some activities that STILL to this day I must do with a “dip” in.  The difference is now my “dip” has no nicotine in it… and it never will again.

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Ron
Ron
14 years ago

I agree, the fake dip is a much better choice over the real stuff. I chewed for 17 years ( Grizzly and Kodiak were top choice ), I finally gathered up enough courage to quit, I’m on day 6 now. I’m usung Smokey Mountain, and I was surprised at how close in moisture and softness it is to the real stuff. Well I hope I can make it to the 100+ days.

doitforHim
doitforHim
14 years ago

@jp–

you’ve just gotta do it. i was the exact same way for 4 years since about sophomore year in high school. im only 20 and i realized that i had to man the hell up and just do it. realize that everytime you put your fingers in the tin and the bomb in your mouth that it could be the lucky one that does it. its not worth it. and something else that ive realized in my few times i tried to quit: there is no such thing as “one more dip and then i’ll quit.” everytime you pack a lip it gets you right back to being hooked. its gunna make you wanna buy another whole can, then before you know it youve been through a whole other can. you really just need to man up and quit cold turkey. look at the symptoms of quitting, study up on how its going to affect you, but it is all going to be worth it. i promise.

good luck man, i’m praying for you.

johnsargent
johnsargent
14 years ago

I reccmmend the fake dips to anyone wanting to quit. I almost hate to use the work “fake” because it makes these fine products sound cheap or sleazy, which they are not. Perhaps “substitute tobacco-free” dips would be a better term, although that can a mouthful, no pun intended. I know I couldn’t have done it with Smokey Mountain Products. Blanca’s comment was interesting about the sugar contained in real dips. Most tobacco is cured with sugar, so that’s another reason to quit. Fake dips also have to be used in moderation as they contain salt and molasses, although not in the same lethal doses as the real stuff. Some contain gurana, which can act like caffeine with some folks. Nonetheless, fake dip remains the most effective thing for most of us, but should be used with moderation.

Blanca & Ronald
14 years ago

@doitforhim & all quitters!

My darling husband used to be a Cope fiend for 25+ years. At age 42 he fell into diabetes 2.
ALL DIP HAS SUGAR in it for those who are diabetics or have it in their family.

In any case, my husband had to insulin up every night for 2 months and watch diet. I prayed that we would find a fake dip that could keep him sane and we experimented with Bacc-Off first which he loved more than the stuff on the market 10 yrs ago and then recently switched to HOOCH. He prefers Hooch. He never was a mint kind of guy but he likes all of Hooch’s flavors and has a variety pack with him. He quit using tobacco for 4 months now and we are both amazed. I dont lay into him for using bc the HOOCH dont hurt his body and the mint smells real nice (like gum-lol).

In any case, QUITTING got his sugar back on track and he no longer suffers from the mood swings, insomnia,stomach problems, pains in the kidney, fatigue, and DIABETES 2.!!!! No more insulin shots.

So, for all of you who think,it cant be done IT CAN! And my husband is real happy with his health and keeping a pinch in (but one that isnt killing his body) when he wants it. I encourage every one of you to at least pick up 6 cans of Hooch & try it.

I am sooooooooooooooo grateful. I got my husband back and he got his life and energy back.

jp
jp
14 years ago

I have been a Cope dipper for 15 years. I want to quit in the worst way, but am struggling in bad!!!!. The only time I dont have one in is when im sleeping. When I wake up I go straight for my tin. Went 8 hrs yesterday. Any suggestions?

drewj
drewj
14 years ago

doitforhim…if you’re a mint man order the mint hooch and you’ll be good to go. been dip free for almost 3 months but when ever i go on a long drive or anything and crave a dip, the mint seems to last the longest and be the most similar to the real shit

doitforHim
doitforHim
14 years ago

Hey guys–

Just craving so I’m poking around the site like I have been for the last few days. Today makes it a week and a day dip free. Granted I had only been dipping consistently for about 4 years, it doesn’t seem like much, but I promise I was a slave to the can. I just couldn’t do it anymore. I’m only 20 years old and I’ve got so much more to do. I don’t want something stupid like this getting in the way of all I want to do.

As for the fake stuff, is it worth it? I want to buy stuff if it’s worth it but a couple months ago I got some Mint flavored Bacc-Off (I think that’s what it’s called) and it tasted like mint flavored dirt in my mouth. If i’m going to pay money to trick my mouth into thinking it has a dip in, I want it to be worth it.

Lemme know, and stay quit!

johnsargent
johnsargent
14 years ago

Amen to that, Chewie. My previous comment sounded like I was down on the fake chew, but I really wasn’t. I was responding to Chew_On_This who said he couldn’t get any more fake stuff over the weekend and was thinking about buying a can of the real thing and postponing his quit. That’s why I mentioned seeds and gum. I strongly agree with your comment about taking the fake stuff for the rest of your life than even having another dip of the real thing. I think I’m going to be on it for quite some time (Smokey Mountain Classic is my current favorite) although I would like to be free of having little brown specks stuck to my teeth and sometimes the corner of my mouth, I don’t see that happening any time soon. So, I guess I’ll just have to brush my teeth after every dip of Smokey Mountain and be patient with myself.

johnsargent
johnsargent
14 years ago

Don’t do it my friend. The first couple days are the worse. Keep in mind you’re only postponing the inevitable: the chew has to go. Promise yourself something special if you get through it: I don’t know what floats your boat, but maybe a steak supper, or some sporting goods you’ve always wanted. You can do it. Don’t let THEM win. The CEO of some tobacco company wants you to fail so y’all can help pay for his BMW. I’m pulling for you, now go find yourself some nice gum or sunflower seeds, and keep in mind you have friends out there.

Smokey Mountain Dipper
Smokey Mountain Dipper
14 years ago

Is the smokey mountain snuff safe to use? I am on day 29 of my quit and last few days have been tough. When I was in the store today I picked up some Smokey mountain snuff to help kill the cravings. I thought I’d done the right thing by keeping my quit alive, but my wife couldn’t have been more upset with me If i’d bought a can of Grizzley. How can i convince her I haven’t caved?

Chew_On_This
Chew_On_This
14 years ago

P.S> This straight up sucks and dont really know if I can give up the ritual of it all. Keep your fingers crossed for me please…

Chew_On_This
Chew_On_This
14 years ago

Just turned 25 and have been chewin for the last 4 years and smoking for 3 years before that. My poison is Skoal straight LC. I just ordered a couple cans of hooch after reading what you all had to say about it. I tried Smokey Mountain one time but didnt care for it too much. Moment of truth. Havent had a dip today for the first time in so long I cant remember and I dont think the hooch is gonna get here untill monday. Im REALLY considering getting a can today to get me through the weekend. one last go untill I pull the trigger?

John
John
14 years ago

I just quit cold turkey, after 26 years. I chewed Levi Garret and they doesn’t seem to be any fakie (as chewie puts it) product out there for side chewers. I think I will be fine, but does anyone have a suggestion on a side chew fake chew?

johnsargent
johnsargent
14 years ago

Hi Gary,

Your story is a lot like mine. First, I smoked cigarettes and a pipe, then started using dip, and only stayed with that for about thirty-six years! The other comment about the fellas who set up a taste test sounds like a good idea. Find something that tastes like your favorite chew and stick with it for a while. After thirty-six years of dippin’, I have now been tobacco free since September 23, 2009. You can do it.

drew
drew
14 years ago

Me and a couple friends ordered everything on market in every flavor for this tobacco free stuff. We sat down like it was a beer tasting and went thru them all. Just to give ya some reference, when i dipped i loved straight/cope, my buddy did yak wintergreen and the other did skoal mint. We all picked the hooch mint as the best 2nd was the hooch wintergreen and didn’t really decide on a 3rd cause all the classic straight, cherry, spitfire falvors were horrible. the hooch mint lasted the longest, tasted the most like a real dip and was neat, little sloppy/falls apart on the discharge but ya gotta sacrifice something i guess. Hope this saves ya some money and time.

Gary
Gary
14 years ago

Hi everyone. I smoked for 17 years, and quit three years ago. Needless to say i started taking pinches of cope from my brother-in-law to fight off cravings to smoke. I did not like cope and started using (Grizzly) as a crutch. Now 3 years later I am depenedent on it. Go figure quit one habit and jump straight to another. I have tried several times to quit and have failed. I really think it is more addictive than smoking, as it is more enjoyable. I have to have it when working, watching tv, driving, after meals etc. I just now came across this link and was not even aware of a tobacco free remedy to help one quit using. I will be looking to find these products in my local Wal-mart here in South Alabama.

JOHNSARGENT
JOHNSARGENT
14 years ago

Hey Drew,

I was a hardcore Cope guy (and Skoal as well) for thirtysix years, and Smokey Mountain Classic was the closest thing I could find. Not to disparage the other brands, as they were all good too but for different reasons, but Smokey Mountain Classic really tasted like Cope to me. WE all have damaged taste buds from years of chewing, and individual differences, but I agree , Drew, SM Classic is the closest thing. I’m into over 120 days of quit now, and I can truthfully say I could not have made it without Smokey Mountain. Hang tough, my friend, we’re all in this together.

drew
drew
14 years ago

What’s up guys, about 2 weeks in to quitting myself after14 or so yrs of a can a day. Started off with the VA and their quitting program, figured what do i have to lose. They gave me that drug chantix to quit and let me tell you, it suprisingly killed the cravings quite well. but only if you’re willing to sacrifice your days for an unfocused mind and headaches from hell that make the muscles in your eyes hurt. So I kicked it to the curb and i’m starting to really get the cravings back. So now i’ve went from giving quitting a shot to actually commiting to it seeing as i’m 2 weeks in. I saw that smokey mountain brand online and ran to walmart and bought all flavors immediately. I was a hardcore Straight/Cope flavor lover. Am I the only one who thinks that smokeymountain straight smells like hardcore ass and tastes just about as bad!! What the hell…haha. I’m getting by on some of the SM wintergreen but does anyone have a serious non promoting recommendation for a straight subsitute? (not worried about consistency, just flavor) Thanks

JOHNSARGENT
JOHNSARGENT
14 years ago

Hello Sensei:

Keep it up. The first ninety-six hours are the worst, or at least they were for me. I’m now into almost four months of my quit, and I know I couldn’t have done it without Smokey Mountain Products. I chewed Skoal and Cope for the better part of thirty-six years, and it was hard for me also. I’m glad to hear Walmart is selling Smokey Mountain Products, and wish theywere available from other local dealers. Oh well, I just saw my dentist this morning, and he was flabbergasted at how great my tongue looked since I quit! I had lesions on my tongue that he was watching for cancer, but now, most of them have healed and gone. Keep it up. You won’t regret it.
John

Sensei
Sensei
14 years ago

I dipped skoal and grizzly daily for 22 years, I’m 4 days into my quit. I found Smokey Mountain herbal dip at Walmart. It definitely is helping me, it seems to kill the craving for a while. As stated in the above posts it tastes like cope, good enough for me…I can’t wait for this withdrawal headache to end.

JOHNSARGENT
JOHNSARGENT
14 years ago

Hi Shorty.
The only advice I can give is don’t be afraid to try a number of different kinds before your brother decides on what he likes best. I experimented a great deal before I finally decided Smokey Mountain Classic was as close to Copenhagen as I could get. I had to kisss a lot of frogs before I found my prince. Order one or two cans of several different kinds, and give them a try. We all have unique taste buds, so my experience with one brand would be different from your brother’s. Hooch was also close to Copenhagen, but for some reason, I liked Smokey Mountain best. Don’t be afraid to give several differentkinds a try. When he finally finds one he likes best, then he can concentrate on quitting. Good luck and I hope 2010 is a good year for both of you.

shorty
shorty
14 years ago

My brother has been using Grizzly Red for about 15yrs or so. Most of our family has died from cancer of all kinds. I am hopping to find an alternative for him to try that may be close enough to satisfy. I know nothing about dip, chew or snuff so I don’t know what would be the closest thing to what he is used to in flavor etc. I know as far as flavors he does not like spicy,cinnamon or peppermint. He loves licorice candy, likes wintergreen and is okay with spearmint. His 40th birthday is on the 29th of Jan and I am hoping to give him a couple of cans of an alternative as part of his birthday. If anyone has any idea what would be the closest alternative to Grizzly in the red can or something you think he may like please let me know. I do know he does not like snuff whatever that is. Please help! Thank you in advance.

rjc
rjc
14 years ago

I found that the fake chew really helps for the first couple weeks. Once the nicotine and other goodies are out of your system, the physical cravings go down a whole lot. After that, it is more mental than anything. Before you run out to the store to get that tin and tell yourself you are only going to do one can because you are going camping, reach for the fake stuff first and it will really suppress that.

JOHNSARGENT
JOHNSARGENT
14 years ago

Thanks for the encouraging words, Blanca, and best wishes to both you and your husband. I am now over sixty days into my quit, and I’m beginning to notice some of the health benefits you described. Interestingly, I no longer get earaches since I quit! I used to get severe earaches when outside barometric pressure would change like when a cold front would move in or out, or a storm front. I have gained weight from some overeating, because that need for oral gratification is still there, but it’s nothing that getting serious about going to the gym wouldn’t help. I’m fond of Hooch also, and of the other non-tobacco chews, but I urge your husband to read the ingredients carefully, as some do contained raw sugars, that may affect his diabetes. Blessings to you both in 2010.

Blanca
Blanca
14 years ago

QUIT THE CHEW!!!

STAY MOTIVATED! My husband recently diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes decided he needed to quit a 20+ year chew habit. He has been taking Bacc-off and using Dip Stop product with much success. It has been 2 weeks NO TOBACCO. NO CHEATING. His moods and energies are better, his sugar is stabilizing (chew has sugar in it). If the improvements continue he might not have to shoot up with insulin every night.

He is going to try Hooch Herbal to see if he likes it more. The stuff that hooch is made out of has been shown in chinese medicine to help alcoholics and diabetes sufferers. Plus the consistency of the chew might be more of what he is missing… But really he has taken to the BACC OFF because its better than the fake chews he had 10 yrs ago.

I am an ex smoker who quit, its hard and difficult but you can learn how to cope differently in your trigger situations. I cant even take a drag off a cigarrette now (or smell it) 16 years into my quit.

I WILL PRAY FOR EVERYONE HERE.
GOD BLESS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

John Sargent
John Sargent
14 years ago

Hey Rook!

So how long have you been tobacco-free? what’s your take on using “the fake stuff?” just to get over the hump.

Rook
Rook
14 years ago

Just wanted to stop in on the blog and say whassup to my fellow quitters!

John Sargent
John Sargent
14 years ago

Hello Panther 8865 and anyone else who may be interested. I just received my order of Hooch products today, and their Wintergreen does taste quite a bit like my beloved Skoal. I have also tried Smoky Mountain Classic which I also love, because it tastes a lot like Copenhagen. It’s now been over sixty days for me, and December 23rd will be ninety days that I’ve been tobacco free. The cravings are still strong, and after over thirty years of dippin’, that shouldn’t surprise anyone, should it. My consumption of Hooch and Smoky Mountain Products is quite high at this time, but I hope even that will taper off. Hang in there Panther, it’s not as hard to quit as you may think, but it certainly is difficult at times. I hope to order my commemorative knife when I complete more than one hundred days, probably around February of this year. Have a great holiday, Panther, and I hope Santa leaves your favorite flavor of Hooch in your Xmas stocking.

Panther8865
Panther8865
14 years ago

Hello. I have been dipping for 20 years now. Started in college with Skoal, than moved to Cope. About 5 years ago I stopped Cope and moved to Wolf. I honestly went through a can a day. I would take huge pinches and leave them in for hours. Few weeks back, I was so fed up with this addiction I just threw my can out the window. It has been 21 days since I have had any tobacco. I have gone cold turkey, and it has been hell! I am not having the huge cravings like I use too, however, there are times when I still just crave a dip (i.e. late at night watching TV or driving). I like to tell myself I have beat the can, but, I know I have a ways to go. I made dipping a huge part of my life for years and that is not going to change overnight, or in a few days. I really do appreciate this site, I have visited it a few times and like reading the stories. I am going to try the Hooch chew, just to help me through some tough times. Good luck to everyone else quitting! It can be done, and we all will do it!

that guy
that guy
14 years ago

quitting is for quitters

John Sargent
John Sargent
14 years ago

Hi Rockett and others. I’m into week three of my quit now, and I have tried at least three different kinds of non-tobacco chew. I seem to like Smokey Mountain Classic best, as it tastes to me most like the Copenhagen that I used to chew. Don’t be afraid to experiment. Bacc-off products seem to have the strongest taste, if you’re looking for a kick. Keep trying, eventually you’ll find something you like. My friend also quit before me for medical reasons, (nicotine prevented a broken bone from healing properly!–Ever hear that one before?) and he said his cravings lasted a full two months after he quit, so keep right out chewing your fake stuff. We’re all in this together, and we can do it.

Rockett
Rockett
14 years ago

Ok, so I’m new to this. Quit several times before for about three weeks. Got through early withdrawals and……..bam, thought I was good and headed to the gas station. This is different. Gotta quit to maintain life insurance and wife is holding my feet to the fire, and every time I look at my daughter, I start feeling guilty that as soon as she goes to bed, a fatty goes in, and I head for the couch to watch SportsCenter. Going on 8 days now. I’ve got this Oregon Mint Snuff, Smokey Mountain Chew, and Bacc Off. Each has their pluses and minuses. The Hooch sounds the best. If I could get something with good consistency and a little kick or burn and good flavor, I’d be set. Suggestions? I started dipping Kodiak, then after I kicked that, I cranked right back up with Skoal Mint. Glad I found this site. Most of it is spot on with how I feel and what I’ve been through.

John Sargent
John Sargent
14 years ago

Thanks, Chewie. I was impressed with the links section: there seem to be more brands of non-tobacco snuff than I ever would’ve guessed. I’m going to give Hooch and Smoky Mountains a try. Not that many places sell it here in Wisconsin, so I’ll order it online. I’m proud to forsake the “Dave Clarke Five” to be one of the QSX 4,421 plus. Thanks for letting me hang out (virtually in cyberspace) with you guys. It’s great to know I’m not alone in this.

John Sargent
John Sargent
14 years ago

Hi Fellas,
Your views on the fake stuff were really enlightening. I don’t think I could’ve quit at all if it wasn’t for the mint stuff. Hopefully, someday I’ll be able to walk away from that also. I’ve been tobacco -free only since 9/23/09: not quite a week, but already my mouth is healing. I think the mint chew helps. I’m so glad I found the KilltheCan.org site. Any words of encouragement you can give me or advice would be appreciated. I’ve been chewing since 1974: when I was in the Army. I knew a fellow, named Dave Clarke, who gave me and some other guys our first dip. We started calling ourselves “The Dave Clarke Five” and would meet for a dip whenever we could, mostly out of boredom and loneliness. Having a dip kept my mouth moist and shut through three years of the army,and 24 years of marriage, and I guess made me passive. Since I quit the chew, I’ve been getting into discussions with my wife, sometimes, not very pleasant ones, where before I just put in a chew and said nothing except “yes dear.”

rjc
rjc
14 years ago

The herbal products work wonders. What also helps is to look at some pictures or talk to someone in person who has mouth cancer…. that is what has helped me.

Papatoad
Papatoad
14 years ago

I have chewed for almost 25 years and i miss it more than my missing puppy when i was 5. I quit in February and have been cold turkey since then. I have contacted Hooch Chew and have asked to become Canadian Dist., because i believe that if its, one of the best, or the best, you have a chance of converting someone to herbal because or the product comparison. We have a lot of Cope users in this country. It’s the hardest thing i’ve ever done(quitting) and don’t let anyone tell you it’s easy, cause it isn’t. I wish all chewers could quit but if you can’t get on the herbal train and ride all the way. That’s the way i’m going to look at it. Good Luck all!!

Fungohitter
14 years ago

I am entering day 5 of my quit. I found this site as I was experiencing some serious cravings. I need to fight them off. The wife and kids are gone for 3 days and previously that would mean dipping all day long. I have been irritable the past few days but am tired of feeling controlled by the can.

rjc
rjc
14 years ago

Its almost three months so far…..I have tried every fake chew there is hoping to find a good substitute for when the going gets tough. I must say I am really impressed with most of the products. From the perspective of an avid Kodiak user, you will never find the same consistency and pack as Kodiak but you will find one that you can get used to.

Here is my review of the flavors I tried:

Bac-off: Straight is tastes just like Cope to me. Wintergreen tastes just like Skoal. Both are little on the salty side. The pack is not very good as the consitency is granular. Product floats a lot.

Golden Eagle Herbal Chew: Wintergreen has good flavor, most of the other flavors taste very similar and have a much weaker flavor, moist but gritty and fine, pack is adequate.

Oregon Mint Snuff: Wintergreen has weak flavor, gritty and fine, pack is adequate. Probably the best for you out of all I tried.

Hooch: Wintergreen has good flavor, straight did not taste like Cope to me at all, more like tea. Overall, the Cayanne pepper is over done and over powers the flavor. Moist somewhat gritty, but pack is best of the bunch, product did not float nearly as much as the rest. Wintergreen is way better than straight. My second favorite.

Smokey Mountain: Wintergreen has excellent flavor and lasts a long time, straight is similar in flavor to Cope. Product is moist but gritty and very fine, pack is adequate but takes some getting used to. (The superior flavor is worth the difference in Hooch to me). The Wintergreen is really good, my overall favorite. Plus, I can buy it in my local Walmart at $2.85 per can.

If you are a Kodiak user, you will probably like either the Hooch or Smokey Mountain Wintergreen.

Hope this helps, Happy Trails

Matt Esposito
Matt Esposito
14 years ago

ok so i ordered it thursday and am very pumped for it. Do u know how long it will take to come? My quit date has been set for july 1 and im ready to take on the challenge even if the hooch doesnt arrive by that time

Matt Esposito
Matt Esposito
14 years ago

hey i have been dipping strong for like eight months. Im a big time addict and usually takes me just five pinches to kill a tin. I really want to quit now before i cant stop forever. I have many dip moments: bowling, poker, video games, when im nervous/upset, or when im drunk. I have tried to quit numerous times but its hard cuz all of my brothers dip as well as their friends dip and they are always over. Will hooch really do the trick for me and help me quit this nasty ass habit?

rjc
rjc
14 years ago

I am new to this site. I quit cold turkey 2 months ago from Kodiak, after dipping for about 4 years, half can a day. Prior to that, I had quit for 7 years but chewed the prior 10.

I must say I was seriously Jonesing. I couple things happen, I did a quick search for mouth cancer on the Internet after having a sales meeting with a guy who just had mouth cancer and lost is jaw. (They had put in a titanium jaw etc. this guy was really messed up and suffering. In the process of all the surgury, he lost half of his tounge. When the he is done with all of the procedures, the final one is where they take out bone marrow from his bones and mix it with steriolds, then pack it around the titanium jaw and hope it grows bone. When you see this in persion, it really strikes a nerve. I think this was a sign from above…) When I saw the herbal options on the Internet, I was really excited. So far, I have tried a three of these options. I really think this is the end of the real stuff for me. The fake dip does the job. It provides that little something I need. I actually enjoy it alot.

Wayne Bo
Wayne Bo
15 years ago

Sometimes it just helps me to have the can in my pocket. I choose when I use it, but I know that it’s there if I want some of the fake stuff; be it Smokey Mountain or shredded beef jerky.

theo3wood
theo3wood
15 years ago

I hear ya, Chews BUT…I’ll offer a different approach: I’m not quite at a year of freedom yet (this July), and I used fake dip as well as tons and tons of sunflower seeds for the first couple hundred days of my quit. And I kept wondering when the craves would eventually die down. Long story short, at about day 200 I quit the seeds…cold turkey. When the craves hit (oral fixations, really) I didn’t put any kind of crutch in my lip. Y’know what happened then? After about two weeks, the craves stopped. Well, nearly stopped. I’ll put it this way…I don’t feel the need to have anything in my lip anymore.

So back to your comment, “there are still some activities that STILL to this day I must do with a “dip” in.” Maybe, maybe not. Baseball Tonight is still gonna look and sound like Baseball Tonight.

Just a different take on the same subject…

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