Smokeless Alternatives

Part of the reason that quitting chew is so difficult is that it’s not just a mental & chemical battle. There is also a very physical part of breaking nicotine’s hold on us. For some of us, the oral fixation is one of the most difficult parts of our quits. If you’ve had something in your lip/mouth for the past 15 years your body gets used to it… take that away (along with all the nicotine that you’re losing) and you’re bound to be a little on the irritable side. Below is a list of alternatives to smokeless tobacco (also known as fake dip or fake tobacco) that will help you get past the oral fixation.

For more information about fake dip, check out these pages as well:

Smokey Mountain SnuffSmokey Mountain Snuff
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Hooch SnuffHooch Snuff
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Jake's Mint ChewJake’s Mint Chew
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Bacc-OffBacc-Off
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Teaza Energy PouchesTeaza Energy Pouches
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GrindsGrinds
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Cowboy Coffee ChewCowboy Coffee Chew
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Nip Energy DipNip Energy Dip
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Herd Sports ChewHerd Sports Chew
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The Ryan ExpressThe Ryan Express
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Major League Coffee DipMajor League Coffee Dip
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Holt Tobaccoless ChewHolt Tobaccoless Chew
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Mint SnuffMint Snuff
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Absolut SnusAbsolut Snus
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Go Coffee EnergyGo Coffee Energy
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Java ChewsJava Chews
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Long Ball LicoriceLong Ball Licorice
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Elicit Herbal ChewElicit Herbal Chew
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Golden Eagle Herbal ChewGolden Eagle Herbal
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Triuimph ChewTriumph Chew
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PRO-DIPPRO-DIP
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Wisconsin’s Fintest Root 100Root 100
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Gator Sunflower Seed ChewGator Chew
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Young's ChewYoung’s Chew
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  1. The Elicit Herbal chew alternative listed above has nicotine but no tobacco. Why are we supporting this kind of alternative?

  2. So I’ve dipped Grizzly Wintergreen and Straight pouches since I was 13. Thanks to my new job lined up, I have no choice but to quit. I’m not a fan of dry dip, be it fake or real, so I couldn’t quite get inot Grinds. Does anyone have a suggestion for similar flavor and feel?

  3. I have been using all the (fruity) skolas for about 6 years now in long cut and am looking to quit a local tobacco store where I am sells smokey mountain so I picked up a can of grape with high hopes well I just tried it the other day and today and needless to say it felt like hair in my mouth didn’t stay together well but did spit well but horrible to clean up and the flavor didn’t last long as I’m use to keeping mine in for about 45 minutes to a hour… I have been looking at hooch and Jake’s mint but afraid of wasting my money again.

    • Hooch is good, it has a real nice “feel” to it. Flavor seems to not last as long. The Peach is wonderful and my favorite My favorite, still, 3 years clean from nicotine, is the Triumph Herbal Chew, zero strength (no nicotine), line up. They have an Apple one that is ok. Their classic and Wintergreen is my favorite. Their Mint is solid too, but I was a Wintergreen guy. They also have a cinnamon too that is pretty good. Give them a try. The only complaint I ever had with their product is it does seem to “float” in the mouth a lot. But I feel it’s due to such the fine cut. But they have a great, zero strength, no nicotine product.
      I am now only taking a dip, once every couple days. But I will always have a fake can near, in the event I “want” one.
      Good luck!
      -JP
      3 years (and counting) clean

  4. I have been using Skoal Mint Pouches for 10 years, it is now time to quit. Anyone know the best alternative? I want something with similar taste/similar feel. I have tried Baccoff which is my favorite thus far, but the taste is a little off. I prefer moist pouches over dry ones. Although I did like the smokey mountain mint pouches. I just ordered Jakes Mint Pouches, Oregon Mint Snuff, and Triumph Pouches Sampler pack to give these a try. However, if someone has suggestions please feel free to share! I am just looking for something that would be the most similar to Skoal Mint Pouches ; )

    Thanks in advance

    • Hey JT

      I was primarily a Kodiak Wintergreen, but I chewed more than my fair share of Skoal Mint as well. Jake’s is a great chew, but when it comes to Skoal Mint subs there are better alternatives out there in my opinion.

      By far, the closest to Skoal Mint would be Hooch Mint: http://www.killthecan.org/hooch-snuff-review/ It’s SPOT ON down to the smell it leaves on your fingers. This isn’t a pouch product, but if you’re looking for taste this is the closest you’ll get. As for a pouch product I’d think Triumph will probably be your closest bet: https://www.killthecan.org/triumph-chew-pouches-review/

      Smokey Mountain Mint is good, but a bit “sweeter” than Skoal: http://www.killthecan.org/smokey-mountain-snuff-review/

      Bacc Off Mint is a great product, but not quite as close flavor wise as Hooch: http://www.killthecan.org/bacc-off-review/

      Sorry if that’s more that you were looking for. Would love to hear your feedback when you try these.

    • Hey JT, I was going to suggest the Zero Strength (no Nicotine) mint Triumph. It is made with mint leaves…and it’s solid! I was a Skoal Wintergreen user when I dipped, but I too dipped and awful lot of the Skoal mint. That said, I have not tried their Mint pouches, I did try the Wintergreen ones and they were moist. I was a loose user, never used the pouches when I dipped. But I wanted to try their pouches.
      Please let everyone know your opinion on the products…lots of people come here to read up on them.

  5. After chewing for 45 years I was told I had to quit in order to get a total hip replacement. I went cold turkey ! I used TEA BAGS cut in half as my substitute.Have not had one since Feb 6 2017. Still get the urge, but it’s not for the nicotine, it’s just for something in between the lip and gum !

    • Dang Allen, Here I thought I was the one with the longevity on chewing. I started 40 years ago and recently finished my last can of Copenhagen snuff. The 1st couple of days weren’t bad but now I feel my body craving nicotine. I’m using Jakes cinnamon to try and take off the edge. It’s okay but nothing is going to replace the original I feel. Anyone know how long until the nicotine cravings subside?

  6. WrestlerTryingToQuit

    I started chewing in high school after some of my teammates convinced me to pick up the habit. Through the past 7 years, I have made countless attempts to quit. I will be fine and dip-free until it comes time to cut weight. The metabolism booster of dip keeps my weight down and spitting off water weight also helps. It’s gotten to the point of not just craving nicotine, but having an oral craving of something being there. I’m tired of lying to myself and telling myself I will be done after this next weigh-in. I want to quit now. Anyone know of an alternative dip to keep the metabolism boost of dip?

  7. Hows it going. A little off topic but I’ve been dipping for about 8-9 years now. I prefer the long cut stuff. Like the way it packs. I’ve been a grizzly fan but switched to cope for a while. I’ve been trying to quit for a few months. I can’t find anything that has the flavor or packs like the long cut. Is there anything out there that does? I’ve tried the jakes mint chew and the cowboy coffee but not a fan. I was just wondering if anyone has any recommendations on something that both packs better and has decent flavor. Thank you.

    • Hey Michael, I’d say try the Smokey Mountain , both the Straight and the Classic flavors. They are close to the taste. It seems to stay together better than the Mint (Jake’s/Triumph/Elicit) based ones. I heard the Citrus flavor of Smokey Mountain is good too.
      I’d try the Hooch as well, that one has a pretty good consistency too.
      I’ve heard the Teaza is a good one too, never tried it, but folks rave about it.
      I personally like Triumph, but it likes to get loose in the cheek. They have pouches too, but I like the loose stuff. Beware though, some of these fake dips, Triumph included, make their dips in zero strength (no nicotine) and half to full strength (with nicotine). I DO NOT AND WILL NOT use that shit ever again, so its only Zero Strength or no nicotine fake dips for me.
      The secret to it, to pretend that Grizzly/Cope (for me it was Skoal Wintergreen ) is no longer being made and you have to switch to a different flavor. Try a few of them, they’re are some really, REALLY, good, nicotine free dips out there today.
      Good luck
      JP

      • Awesome answer man this helped me out a lot I’ve been chewing for 15 years an quitting, it’s the hardest thing to do which all chewers know. Thank you for the other brand names an details I chew cope wintergreen L.cut an I’m tryin to find which is closer to long cut. Based off your description it’ll be easier to find. Thanks!
        H.

    • The houch brand herbal snuff has a “rough cut”. my husband has quit for 2 months on it now. He likes it the best. He dipped Copenhagen long cut too. Hope this helps!

    • Try Smokwy Mountain, it taste, smells, looks, feels, and packs jistvlikw frizzley and it also comes in its own unique flavors if you wanna mix it up.

      • Hey guys,
        I’m just totally new to this fake dip campaign that half of the people have regard to. I’m quite flattered with JAYP’s personal opinions and thoughts on the subsitute chemical.

        But me as an EX-Smoker, I have stopped cold-turkey for about 8months (the strong reason behind it, was the suffering of a severe anxiety disorder – which could be relevant to the nicotine which enters and affects the central nervous system?)

        Unfortunately, I got quite a relief, then decided to oke again unconditionally – maybe it was the source of distraction that comes from your friends bad habits smoking around you? (I don’t know) but eventually, I decided to stop again, however, this time I chose these filtered-tobacco pouches so called “Chaini Khaini” which is an Indian product which has easier use than filling the room with carbon monoxide from a ciggy.

        I have been addicted for 2years, but I have NO clue whatsoever, of knowing how to stop the bad habbit once and for all. My psychiatrist (who has been helping with my Anxiety symptoms that I have for 2years now) prescribed me a medicine that helps – as she claimed it would naturally inhibit dopamine hormones to relax me without the discourage to get up and use pouches.
        The medicine was Cefuzime (which is a Cefuroxime axetil) 500mg dose.

        I have used it gradually one pill a day, and the overall, the effects are good. I have decreased from taking 2packets (containing 20pouches) to 4pouches (which is not even half a packet)

        I do not recommend, nicotine-gums unless you’re one heck of an addicted (sorry for this word) moron! Because like one of the members below, depicted a theory saying;
        “Using anything that contains Nicotine is masking, and not quitting” but neither is it TRYING to quit at all!

        These are just my point of views, so please don’t get offended, or feel accused. I myself, am also seeking help! So we’re all on the same page here… 😛

        • Hey Kareem,
          I’m just going to say…whatever works to keep you away from nicotine, use it.
          Although I thoroughly enjoyed the non tobacco/nicotine versions, they do somewhat drag out the habit of popping substance in your lip, then spitting. I still, well over 2 years quit, use the fake alternatives. BUT, I do not use them frequently. Maybe 1-2 a day, sometimes, time goes by and I might not even take one. They have helped me combat the oral fixation that the smokeless addict (in this case, me) faces when wanting to quit. I would gladly chew these products the rest of my living days, then ever return to the real products.
          I still, on occasion, use sunflower seeds. They are also a wonderful tool to combat the oral and spitting fixation…not to mention, in moderation, are healthy, so long you can endure the sodium. I have tried the lower sodium variety, but they just don’t do it. So I only use them once in a while. Gum…is my latest friend. I do chew gum more often now than I ever have. I’ve had no fake dips yet today, I’ve had one handful of seeds and 1 piece of gum and I’ve been up for 8 hours so far today. This in contrast of CONSTANTLY needing something in my cheek all day when I first started the quit. In short, all of these things work….but I agree, you have to get further and further away from the nicotine crutch. These tools do work and once you make up the decision to quit, stay quit. And the longer you stay away, the more you will not go back. It would be stupid of me to return now. And I also know (from a past failed attempt at quitting), there is NO such thing as “one dip”. I am an addict. I cannot have one dip. I am done, which means no dip, no cigarette with my beer, no cigar or pipe at the bachelor party….NO MORE NICOTINE in any form.
          And I have to say, I am a very happy man without that shit. Its been a journey and it’s not been easy (if it were, we’d all be quit), but I made the right choice…I am no longer an addict.
          Good luck to you, if you are going to quit, you are at the right place, many will help you, WANT to help you. I would recommend (I never did) joining the forums here, strength is in the numbers. I was able to find a few good people that had the same goals as me on these threads and we all discussed our quit. It was very good and I hope they are all still quit. I haven’t heard from any of them in a while. I only pop in and out of here these days, mostly to offer a hand or some advice and to rebuke a few trolls who think its cool to come on a wonderful quit site and talk shit to people trying to help others quit.
          You take care and I hope you get moving on the quit, remain quit and help others, that’s how it works here!
          God Bless and have a Merry Christmas!
          -JP

        • What you lack is proper motivation to quit. Try getting cardiovascular disease, a heart attack and a few Stents placed in your arteries. That’s where I’m at. Unfortunately that is what it took to get me to the point of really addressing the quitting aspect. Tried many times before over the last 40 years and wasn’t successful. I am determined finally on kicking this issue.

    • None of them are close. I have tried all of them, most people on these sites “Rave” over Triumph or Smokey Mountain, neither was close to real dip in terms of flavor or texture and just ended up making me more upset. It is obvious that tobacco companies pay good money to keep people from developing a nicotine free version of the real thing. My best advice is to keep yourself busy, find hobbies and try eating healthy/ cooking a lot. With your new lifestyle change you will notice that after your first month you think about dipping less, and it will continue that way until its off your radar…..I don’t recommend trying a courtesy pinch 5 months from now when a friend offers.

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  9. Why do you have such a black and white perspective on harm reduction? I have asthma and originally stopped smoking by using nicotine gum. This caused problems with TMJ and multiple dental issues. Next, I moved to smokeless tobacco (i.e. Skoal bandits). Through time, I slowly weaned myself off of the all nicotine. However, trying to make it sound like an all-or-nothing proposition makes you sound like an ideologue who is hellbent on preaching a religious dogma. In the field of addiction medicine, experts regularly substitute one harmful agent for a less harmful agent. While some people are able to quit ‘cold turkey,’ this does not mean that all people are able to achieve complete abstinence.

    For example, what is wrong with a nicotine replacement product (lets say fake snuff) that has a lower amount of nicotine. Who cares if the person is still physiologically dependent on nicotine if they are avoiding all of the negative harmful effects of cigarettes. While complete abstinence is a laudable goal, it does not work for a significant number of tobacco users. Given this reality, it is better to be intellectually flexible and realize that treatment strategies are best tailored to individual needs. Black and white-thinking (associated with religiously held ideologies) is at the core of self-defeating behaviors and beliefs. Reduced use or a less harmful nicotine delivery system is a laudable goal in and of itself.

    • Jay,
      the inherited problem with switching from one nicotine habit to another, even though it may be less harmful, is the fact that you are still hooked on the chemical.
      Good for you that you were able to go through the several levels of different nicotine products, then was able to just wean yourself off.
      I’d estimate that 85% of the nicotine addicts here (including yours truly), couldn’t do that. What happens is you just prolong your dependence on the chemical, thus continuing your usage of the drug.
      Let me tell you that I did quit back in the 90’s. Like you, I used the Nicorette gum to accomplish it. I eventually started mixing the gum with regular gum, until I finally ran out of the Nicorette and just chewed regular gum. Mind you, the habit of chewing the gum never stopped, for 6 months! Which, great, whatever, I was off of the nicotine. But, like you, my jaws were HIT! They hurt so bad and I despised it after a while. This leads me into my point.
      Fast forward, 6 months after I quit with the Nicorette gum. Me and the boys are standing in waist high waters in waders, in a Northern Michigan river, fishing for the salmon that are running up the river to spawn. All of my buddies, save maybe 1, still chewed the tobacco. I tell you, seeing these guys thumping the can, then popping in a chew, being out in the wilderness, in the river, fishing…I caved and asked for a dip. Upon my return home, I bought a can…a successful 6 month quit, on Nicorette gum, down the drain.
      You want to know “why” I feel I have succeeded now, where I once failed?
      Because personally, I don’t want to go through the 100 days of hell I went through to get where I am today, FREE of the junk! I think the brain tells you “if you fail, then you just go buy another $30 box of gum and start over”. That certainly is the easier route, than walking through the valley of darkness of a cold turkey quit. I did them both and I can 100% say, the Nicorette route was easier than the cold turkey route. But because it was harder, I respect what I did and am DONE with that shit.
      You respect the spoils more, when you go through the war.
      Now sure, some people may agree on your point above, harm reduction is better than going full bore, I get that. But if you truly want to quit and remain quit and truly, respect what you did, then there is no other substitute, than cold turkey and endure all of the pure hell that comes with a true cold turkey quit. I do not believe in harm reduction, you’re still hooked. And the likelihood of quitting and staying quit, when moving from one nicotine habit, to another, is less than just quitting cold turkey.
      That’s my opinion on it. Not saying that someone cannot quit by moving to a lesser nicotine product (I did…and failed), just saying that you probably will not quit or remain quit.
      -JP
      Day #693 free of that shit

      • Andre chiavelli

        The best replacement is Babe Ruths Long Ball Black Licorice!!! Taste delicious a Ball Players favorite !

    • Hi Jay – thanks for the question asked in a rational way. Very much appreciated.

      JayP answered your question and my response would echo his pretty much exactly. I’ll add this.

      There’s nothing “wrong” per se with the concept of harm reduction. In fact in theory it’s a pretty sound idea. For me though it has to be all or nothing. I have an addictive personality. When I do something I go “all in” whether that’s using or quitting. That means, for me, I can’t subscribe to the harm reduction method as it’s not all the way quit as I know for me it would eventually lead back to the can/day Kodiak habit that I had for 16+ years.

      The other issue that I’ve got with this method isn’t in the theory, but in practice. I see SO many people that say they’re going this route and just… don’t. They cut down, go to a “less harmful” product but eventually go back to the full strength stuff or worse, go to multiple products at once.

      I also take exception to the concept the some people just “can’t” get clean or are “too addicted”. It’s cliche, but if a guy that had the amount of nicotine running through my blood can get clean than anyone can. Will it be easy? No. Is it worth the pain and suffering to be 100% nicotine free? For me, the answer is absolutely yes.

      I realize that this isn’t the way for everyone and I applaud you for being able to take those steps down and go the harm reduction path but for ME it would be a path back to my addiction that I’m not willing to go down.

      Chewie

    • Hillary Sanders

      My ideal smokeless alternative would be a pouch with a spicy and earthy taste with some fruit flavors. Teaza isn’t earthy, is it?

    • Hillary Sanders

      I recommend putting Liquid Smoke in fake chew. Works wonders. You can get it at Walmart for $1.98. Anyone else try this?

      • A study in Europe has indicated liquid smoke “may be” linked to carcinogens…no thanks.

        • Hillary Sanders

          Not true, Jayp. Smoke extract is OK but the smoke itself is iffy.

          • Did you actually read the study? Or are you just speculating with your reply?
            I read it and now will “dumb-down” what I read….
            The study indicates a small amount of carcinogens is released whethen liquid and smoke from cherry, poplar and beechwood, are mixed”
            Logic: the stuff has a small amount of carcinogens in it.
            “True”

        • Jayp, smoke extract causes problems in a Petri dish but not with humans. Don’t argue with me.

          • You obviously read only what you wanted to read. I am not into arguing with people who only look at the tree and not the forest.
            The study said “the liquid contains PAH’s, which can be carcinogenic”
            This of course depends on the type of wood (outlined above) and temperatures used.
            Yes, Petri dishes AND the final product, can contain carcinogens. Read the entire report, get your facts straight, then come back when you are completely informed.
            Don’t argue with ME.
            Good Day.

        • If carcinogens is a problem for you you should be living on another planet 97 % of the things you come in contact with daily are made of carcinogens plastic for example is made from styrene styrene is made using ethyl benzene ethyl Benzene is made using benzene. Base fibers for clothes rugs and other household items are made using acrylanitrile which is also a carcinogen and in liquid form when mixed with water can make same gas used in death chamber so

          • The real “problem” presented here, was it was stated to mix carcinogens, in this case, liquid smoke, with fake dips…thus, ingesting the harmful chemical.
            I am aware there is chemicals all around us….thanks for your astute observation on the subject.
            Maybe you’re just the argumentive type…but your post really has no relevance to what was actually being talked about.

        • You arent looking at the forrest… you are looking at the tree

    • All are more than welcome to not quit cold turkey, but on this site, that is the ideology. Plain and simple.
      Saying that, using a nicotine “replacement” for “quitting” is really an oxymoron, with emphasis on the “moron”. This is just my opinion, but any type of nicotine is masking…. not quitting.

    • After loosing family to both drug addiction and family I agree… Some people can’t quit cold turkey, their mind and body is not prepared for the withdrawals which is mostly mental. Most people who quit don’t know that quitting anything is a mental battle of wits between you and your addiction and you have to know every thing about what it is and what it’s doing. After smoking cigarettes for almost 35 years I quit cold turkey and found this out, how I immediately gained weight (which no my diet didn’t change) and seemed to cause fights with friends and family — but once I realized it was the withdrawal setting up these situation I used what I call the suction cup method, that there were thousands of nicotine suction cups on my brain and that every day one was being taken off, also that they were causing the stress in my life because they wanted me to “go back to smoking”. After about a year they calmed way down… and I have never smoked at all.

      But some people just can’t win that mental battle… for instance we’ve all seen movies of when a woman’s been heartbroken she runs to the fridge for a pint of ice cream… the realization though is that the ice cream is very likely reason she’s had the problems that’s made her cry as her body is craving the ingredients and therefore causes situations in her mind to make her eat it — Until she sees that she’ll just continue to eat the ice cream and feel a bit powerless and then horrible after she splurges…

      So it’s the same with nicotine or any other addictive food/substance/action and really just about everything we do is an addiction or habit… What’s ironic is a few years later you see how it was such a waste of your time and money and how you feel so much more empowered, but sometimes baby steps are needed…

  10. I’m 34 and have been dipping since I was 13. I have a two year old and new born twins and want to quit before they can be exposed to the habit. I have been using red seal mint for the last 5 years. Any suggestions?

    • Zero Strength Triumph Mint is a very, VERY good mint product in my opinion.
      Artic Ice by Smokey Mountain is also a good Mint product.
      Oregon Mint makes mint products, I’m not a fan, but some folks like it.
      Hooch has a Mint flavor. Hooch, in my opinion, has the best “feel” of natural tobacco, but I think the flavor is bland and runs out fast.
      Holt has an interesting Peppermint flavor…it’s made from. Alfalfa, so the color is greenish…it too is a little bland, but gives you a minty flavor.
      My overall opinions on mint, Triumph Zero Strenght mint is #1, Artic Mint Ice, by Smokey Mountain is #2.
      Try them and give everyone here your opinion.
      Good Luck!
      -JP

      • JP-
        I was just looking at Triumphs site and was curious about their zero strength mint. I am trying to find something that is not going to be further harmful to my gums since I am trying to get them healed up. Would this be a good option for that?

        • Short answer – yes. Triumph (or any other non nic / non tobacco alternative) is a great tool to use during your quit.

        • Dev, I agree with Chewie, any of these fake dips are you g to be better options. What I think you asked was “safe for the gums”. I think anything, whether it be fair dip, sunflower seeds, or even a piece of candy, that you fuck between the gum and cheek, will cause irritation. Maybe not nearly as bad as tobacco, but it will irritate it. I used shower seeds a lot at the beginning of my quit and it did wrinkle the cheek some. I did feel that some of the fake dips did that too (Triumph included). If it’s truly gum healing you’re looking to accomplish, I’d probably just stick with chewing gum.
          This is not to say that some of these alternatives will have the same effect it did for me. But at least for me, anything I put between the lip, cheek and gums…seems to irritate them…some, but not nearly as bad as tobacco did for years. Triumph is a wonderful product that I found “worked” for me. If you try it, please put your opinions on it, out here…people want to see them.
          Good Luck Dev!
          -JP
          2 years, 73 days free

      • The closest is surely Triumph mint…They put in some effort into the flavor. The only thing that kills all of it is the texture. None of it packs.

  11. Is there a good close alternative to Copenhagen long cut Original?

    • Dustin, only alternative that remotely tastes like Copenhagen a little, at least from what I thought, is Smokey Mountain Straight.
      Some have said they thought Triumph Classic tastes like it too. I think the Classic Triumph is a Chile-Lime flavor myself.
      But, Smokey Mountain Straight…that is the one I thought closely tasted like Cope.
      To be fair, I was a Skoal Wintergreen Longcut user myself and I never found one that tasted the same. I just found one I liked….and I am almost 700 days free from the junk. Find one that “will do”, that’s the secret to moving to the fake alternatives, good luck!
      -JP

    • BaccOff Straight and Bacc Off Energized Straight are the only ones that come close to Copenhagen, IMO. Dipped cope fine cut for 28 years and they are the only ones I use

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  13. Trying to get off Grizzly pouches, but I love the buzz. Do any of these provide that initial buzz you get from the real stuff? I use pouches so they need to be sold that way. Is there such a product?

    • JMysterio – there are a ton of outstanding pouch products out on the market, but sadly none of them are really going to give you that “buzz” because that’s being provided by nicotine.

      That said, check out this link for all things pouches: http://blog.killthecan.org/tag/pouch/

      • Thanks, I figured as much; just ordered some tobacco free alternatives and will try them out. I use two pouches at once so maybe I can mix the Grizzly pouches 1 to 1 with the alternative pouches at first, then switch to completely Grizzly free.

        I don’t think I really chew much, one can a weekend (Fri-Sun), using two pouches at a time for a total of 10 chews a weekend. But I don’t like the irritation on the inside of my lower lip that occurs when I do too many in a row.

        • Hillary Sanders

          Chewie, there are also other products on the market called Zap Dip and Zap Cubez. No reviews or mention of them on KTC. Kind of like Bacc Off.

        • I was (so glad I can say that) the same way. Two grizzly wintergreen pouches at a time. I took one day of just using one at a time. Once the can was empty, got some smokey mountain. That worked until the corn silk flavor got to me and the smell on my fingers. I ordered the Bacc-Off wintergreen pouches. They are reminiscent of skoal wintergreen but they work pretty good. I know they have energized stuff that may help with the buzz factor. Took me four days of haziness, head aches and intense insomnia but, after a week having the alternatives work great.

    • Hillary Sanders

      Tried smokeless tobacco a couple of times. Made me really dizzy and I didn’t like the buzz because I have anxiety and that only made it worse. But I still crave the intense burn on my mouth. Does anyone know what smokeless alternative has the most burn? Thank you.

    • Hillary Sanders

      Any alternatives to long cut tobacco? Thanks.

    • Hey I’d love to find tobacco free chew out there like red man in a bag or Levi garret, the big fat leafy stuff. Any tips?

      • Hi Gabe – sadly there really isn’t one out there that I’ve ran across. Your best best would be beef jerky or perhaps a Slim Jim that you can “chew” on.

  14. Is there any way I can just get a variety pack of off the different cans…. I’ve already tried the smokey mountain. Also, is this stuff in anyway bad for you and your gums?

    • Hi Elias – We don’t sell any of these products. You’d have to reach out to them individually. I think it’s probably safe to say that putting ANYTHING between your cheek and gum isn’t the best idea, but that said, there is nothing in these products that would be “bad” for your (IE, no tobacco, no nicotine).

    • Hillary Sanders

      2 questions: what is the closest to skoal berry or skoal apple? Second, does pro dip chill really relax you? Thanks.

    • Hillary Sanders

      Chewie, I found a cool snus alternative, Real White Original, on Northerner. Could you include it? It’s like Teaza but the pouches are cellulose.

      • Hey Hillary – yes, I’ll certainly reach out to them and give a try. Thanks!

        • I am curious “why” this Real White Original says “this product may cause mouth cancer”….if it’s “all natural”??
          Thinking I don’t want to try anything that can cause mouth cancer.

        • Hillary Sanders

          What I don’t like about many smokeless alternatives is that they look too much like chewing gum. Cinnamon, wintergreen, mint pouches…all like a stick of gum you can buy at the dollar store. Get more creative, smokeless alternative companies!

          • Well, I’ve never been into the “fruity-booty” flavors like you’re seeking, so I’ve never had any fake alternative that looked like a “piece of gum”. I do not think Smokey Mountain looks anything like a piece of gum. I don’t think Hooch looks anything like a piece of gum. I don’t think Golden Eagle, Baccoff, Elicit or Young’s looks like a piece of gum. I’ve tried all of the Jake’s…and although not a fan of them, mainly due to flavor (not texture), they don’t look anything like a stick of gum. Hell, even the Triumph, which I recommended over a week ago, doesn’t look anything a stick of gum. Not sure what the stuff you’re out here trying, but the stuff I’ve listed above, looks less like a “stick of gum from the dollar store” and more like smokeless tobacco.
            But….you can’t please everyone i guess.

    • Hillary Sanders

      Tried pro dip chill. Honey flavor is good but doesn’t last long. Doesn’t relax you as claimed. Jake’s Mint Chew Apple Spice is more mint than apple and very messy. BIG waste of money overall.

      • Sorry you didn’t like them. I was a big fan of both. The PRO-DIP Chill didn’t last long but in my mid did exactly what it said it would do. It was a honey product that was nice and “soothing”. If you’re early in your quit and going through withdrawal nothing is really going to “relax” you.

        As for Jake’s Apple… all of their products are made from.. mint. So it stands to reason you’ll get that mint flavor and I’d agree, much more “messy” but it’s a non-pouch product.

    • Hillary Sanders

      Does anyone know how I could add some burn to Teaza Black Cherry? Thanks

  15. Suggestions for the pouches – what is going to be the best pouch to fill the moist part that I am looking for – I have tried smokey mountain and it is just dry, I tried the grinds because they now are at 711 and the cashier recommended it to me. I am not a big coffee flavor type. I am looking for A) wetness, and b) the spit factor seems hard to replicate

  16. Hey guys! I’ve been trying to quit the habit for over a year now and find that nothing really works! The only thing I chew is skoal straight. I’ve tried the smokey mountain but I find its so so fine and is just mush in my lip. Anyways not a huge fan. I was wondering if you had any pointers on the consistency to see if there is anything closer to the long cut style. Thanks!

  17. Day 5 for me as well and I can’t stop snacking on things. What the hell do I do?

    • I would suggest trying Nip Energy DIp. The flavor is delicious and it will satisfy your the oral fixation. You also will receive a boost of energy!

  18. No problem Chris,
    Try Smokey Mountain out, in fact, try them all out…become a fake chew expert, hahaha! I tried almost all of them, I wanted to find one I liked (and I found one that I like over all of them). Smokey Mountain is probably the most available one. I believe all Walmarts carry a couple flavors. I know in Michigan, Meijer (grocery chain) carries some of it too. Most of the other brands, you will need to order from their website(s). Luckily, this blog has links to all of them, even rebates for some of them too.
    I still use them once in a while, but consumption has tapered off for me. But if I am ever in the mood for a “dip”, I want to have some fake stuff near…for I am all done with Nicotine and Tobacco forever. Good Luck!
    -JP
    Let us know your thoughts when you try them, others want to hear your opinion on them, so share, share, share!!

  19. Ok so it’s time to quit the can. Still in the research phase, but it’s time to get serious about quitting. Been using Copenhagen for close to 20yrs now. So what would be a good substitute for cope.? Something that would pack right, and not sure if a flavored kind would be better for me.

    • I use bacc off straight, I dipped Copenhagen fine cut for the past 25 years and quit one month ago, triumph is good but it is a little sweet for me, nothing is exact butt bacc off packs the same way, I had to dip a couple of cans to get used to it but now I am fine

  20. Thanks for your time, jayp. I’ll have to give smokey mountain a try.

  21. Chris,
    I think Smokey Mountain probably has the closest “cut” to Long Cut. I would even say that Hooch (Rough Cut) isn’t a distant second in that Long Cut department.
    Again, NONE of the fake dips will replicate the real stuff we abused for years, but a lot of them these days are very close. The key to stopping the real shit and using the fake stuff, is finding one that “will do”.
    So many awesome alternatives available today, not the case 20 years ago.
    Good Luck!
    -JP

  22. Hey all! Been dipping Wintergreen grizz and skoal for about 10 years. Recently I have noticed my gums are receding pretty badly. I made the switch to red man loose leaf and now I’m hooked on that. I’ve tried a few of the fake dips in the past but couldnt seem to find one that packs and holds together very well in my lip. I’ve always been a long cut guy and I also noticed the fake stuff was always very fine…and maybe it’s just me…but I get it everywhere! Is there anything new out there that has a longer cut? Any recommendations? Thanks!

    • Hillary Sanders

      The fruit flavored Teaza pouches have no burn. What can I do to get the burn? Besides use Teaza Fire. That’s good but I want the fruit flavors to have burn too.

  23. Thanks, I actually just ordered some Teaza to try out. Appreciate the confirmation of my assumption. Day 5 now cold turkey. Cant stop snacking on things

  24. Hi, I once I got braces, I moved to Skoal pouches. The Snus never did it, does anyone have any recommendations for mint pouches that I can use that get the same draw and pull as I try to quit this terrible addiction?

  25. Is there a fake shoe? Honestly I would have to be one desperate fucker to tuck a shoe in my lower lip.

  26. Dillon,
    I was a long cut user, back when I dipped 550 days ago. I’ve tried many of these alternatives. I have had original Skoal fine cut, which is close to the original Cope cut (fine). Ive dabbled with Cope too. My experience, by far, zero strength, no nicotine Elicit, was the finest cut of these I tried. You might have to search for Elicit Herbal Chew, since I no longer see it here.
    Taste wise, Smokey Mountain Straight is the closet Cope taste I’ve had.
    Be sure, its zero strength if you try Elicit. I DO NOT do anything that contains nicotine anymore, done with that shit!
    Good luck, let us know if you try it and your thoughts. People want to hear your reviews out here
    -JP

  27. I was wondering what is the closest cut to Copenhagen

  28. ChewAlternative.com will ship to Canada. Several different brands as well if memory serves me correctly.

  29. Matt,
    Looks like Smokey Mountain is in Canada. They are the most popular brand of the Herbal Chews. I’ve had their Wintergreen, Mint, Straight and Classic…all fine products. I did a simple Google search “Herbal Chew in Canada” and they popped up. Give them a try!
    -JP

  30. Hi there, wondering if there are any of these alternatives that ship to Canada. I’ve had no success in my search so far, so if anyone out there knows, fill me in please!

  31. I have used cope long cut and red seal long cut going on 16 years now. Use between 1-1.5 cans daily. Would love to quit, my fiancé hates it and just had my first child. I have tried smokey mountain just seems very gummy, not for me I would like something comparable any way to get a few samples?

    • Hi Dustin – KillTheCan.org does not sell any of these products. What you see here is for informational purposes only. That said, several of the companies listed here do provide free / discounted samples, but you’d need to reach out to the individually to inquire.

  32. What compares to skaol wintergeeen long cut ? Thanks

  33. I just tried the Smokey Mountain Wintergreen and it’s awesome! Really feels good and is sweet like grizzly. I mostly used cope but this variety of smokey mountain feels the same.

  34. What do you recommend for something that is similar to cope. I have tried smoky mountain but it is too sweet.

  35. Hey y’all I’m trying to quit. 5 year dipper here, grizzly wintergreen longcut. What is close as in consistency? Idc about flavor too much I’m just worried about that feeling of tobacco…any tips?

  36. Trying to quit, after like 11 years. What is the closest to Kodiak Wintergreen. Thanks.

  37. Why do people seem to be emphatically against fake chew with nicotine? Im trying nicotine gum right now to quit chew and its helping. Day 3.

    • Tye – I can’t speak for others but the reason I’m so emphatically against fake chew with nicotine is because I was addicted to nicotine. Yes… the nicotine gum that you are chewing is absolutely helping… it’s delivering the drug that you are addicted to. This would be the same as an alcoholic who’s drink of choice was Jack Daniels drinking a Miller Lite.

      I’ve gone into this question a little bit more in depth on the blog in the past: Why Are You So Opposed To Nicotine-Laced Alternatives? http://blog.killthecan.org/2014/03/why-are-you-so-opposed-to-nicotine-laced-alternatives/

    • I am in agreement with Chewie on this Tye. Unless you ween yourself from the Gum and stay away from nicotine, are you “really” quitting? You’ve basically traded one habit (or form of nicotine), for another. Quitting means just that, quitting.
      While I myself was successful back in the 90’s kicking the chew habit with the Nicorette, by slowly substituting the nicotine gum, with regular gum…I ultimately ended up starting the habit again, 6 months later!
      I am a FAILED example of the Nicorette Gum experiment. I am currently at day #480 free of tobacco AND Nicotine. When my quit date approached, I seized use of nicotine in any form and committed to it. And I got my ass kicked for doing it too, for almost 40-60 days. I honestly believe the only way to quit is Cold Turkey. Its really the only proven way to kick the habit.
      I think the gum, patches and meds are all fine, but they only prolong the addiction!
      Good Luck!
      -JP

  38. Is there a fake shoe that taste like Copenhagen long cut original?

    • Hallzy,
      Straight and Classic Smokey Mountain are close to Cope.
      I used Triumph…I have read people say the Classic Triumph was close. I was a Skoal Wintergreen guy, many moons ago. I did dabble with Cope in my 25/years chewing, I don’t think the Classic Triumph tasted like Cope. But…Everyone has their own taste. If you do try Triumph, be sure to use the “Zero Strength” (no nicotine). But I still think Smokey Mountain Straight, then Classic, are the closest to Cope, taste wise.

    • I don’t know and tried everything and I’ve been dipping for 52 years 24 hours a day I eat, drink, sleep and even brush my teeth with it in

    • Hey Hallyday this is Randy I’m 56 and I have never found anything that tastes like Copenhagen and I’ve done it for 52

      • The key is to find an alternative “that’ll do”. Nothing will exactly replicate the nasty ass Worm dirt we were addicted to for years. You just need to pretend (in this case) Copenhagen, isn’t being made anymore. You need to find something that will supplement it.
        There isn’t a fake dip out there that tastes like Skoal Wintergreen Long Cut (and I’ve tried about all of them), but I found that the Nicotine Free, Classic/flavored Triumph, serves as an acceptable alternative…for ” ME”. I truly believe the Smokey Mountain Straight is about as close to the Cope taste you’ll find. If you like your shit “HOT”, Hooch Spit Fire is a pretty dam good one too…lots of burn!
        Again…nothing will be the same…gotta retrain the brain to accept something new, without the nicotine.
        Good Luck!
        -JP

      • Bacc off straight is the closest thing to cope I have found, for me it was more about the feel than anything else, I dipped almost three cans a day for 20 years and I found out that most of my addiction is to the feel and the burn

  39. Chewie,

    I’m 24 and have been chewing since I was 17. I’ve tried to quit multiple times with no success. I was looking to buy the Smokey Mountain Mint pouches, I don’t like loose tobacco. It was until I saw in the ingredients that it contains aspartame and phenylalanine. Is there a mint pouch alternative that does not have these ingredients that is similar to Skoal Mint X-tra or General Mint snus? Thank you.

  40. Hi, I’m trying to find a safe alternative to dip, I’ve been dipping for a little over a year now but I want to quit, I’ve been using Grizzly Wintergreen pouches, is there anything out there similar that I can use? Also how do I go about with using the fake dip? I’ve heard you have to mix it with your real dip at first to try and ween yourself off of it. Thanks for any help.

    • Hi Michael – I was a Kodiak wintergreen guy. There are several good pouch products out there: http://blog.killthecan.org/tag/pouch/

      I’d suggest Teaza, Smokey Mountain or Mint Snuff as a starting point.

      As for how to use them… just like your regular pouch. The process of mixing with real dip is called the “titration method”. We subscribe to 100% cold turkey method so throw out your real stuff, get some fake and get started!

      • Hi Chewie, I’m a bit on the younger side and have already divided I’ve wanted to stop but my trouble is all I chew is cope southern blend. I’ve bought total of about 20 cans of grind but dislike pouches and would really like to try one that’s not. Trouble is nothing they offer has a taste and burn/tingle the southern blend offers. Is there any you would recommend to help me out? Thanks

    • hi Michael, just to add something here…Triumph is now offering their products in a pouch. In haven’t tried them (yet) but I do believe in their products. As Chewie mentions, I too only subscribe to the 100%/nicotine free methods. Triumph does offer their stuff with/without the chemical. I have only used the zero strength products, since the goal here is to be chemical (nicotine) free.
      Good luck!!
      -JP

  41. On day three being Kodiak free. Going through a lot of gum and sunflower seeds. Is there a non-carcinogenic, non-nicotine chew similar to Kodiak?

  42. What’s the closest to skoal fine cut

  43. Any suggestions for a replacement for Stokers long cut mint? Good moist chew with a flavor that lasts for hours.

  44. I don’t dip, and I’m not trying to quit, I’m just trying to find something that tastes and feels similar without the nicotine and crappy sensation. I’ve tried snuff 3 times, and I like the taste, but not the feeling that the nicotine gives me. What would you suggest?

    • Hi Riley, honestly I’d not suggest going this route at all.

      That said, you’re on the right page if you’re looking for non-nicotine, non-tobacco alternatives. Check out our reviews here https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/reviews/ Which one I’d suggest will really come down to what flavor you’re looking for, what texture, etc.

    • Hillary Sanders

      Agree with you, Riley. Tried nicotine before and it’s like a slightly stronger version of caffeine. I don’t see why so many people get addicted. You don’t see people get hooked on coffee.

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  46. Yall want to quit? Get your tonsils removed! I didn’t dip for 3 weeks and never nicked hard enough to take a dip, couldn’t talk much or eat much and the thought of dipping made me vomit. I’m 30 , tonsillectomy was absolute hell, but I quit and now smoke a pipe every once in a while which is no more addicting than CSI! Good luck!

  47. Anyone have feedback on Flasr Inc. tobacco and alternative products? never tried, but been hearing about their chew and snuff products…

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