Fake Dip: To Chew Or Not To Chew
I’m sitting up way too late and not working… This used to be PRIME chewing time. Wife and kids are in bed, I’m down in the basement watching Baseball Tonight with a big fattie in. The difference is, tonight it’s a fatty of Hooch Snuff rather than Kodiak.
Many people will say that there’s no way I should be still chewing the fake stuff over 1,000 days into my quit. I say they couldn’t be more wrong. I’ve said it hundreds of times… I’d rather chew a can of fake stuff per day for the rest of my life than EVER have another dip of Kodiak. I’ll do quite literally whatever it takes to never have another dip.
So the logical question is… am I craving tonight? Is that why I’m having some Hooch? The short answer… nope. I can honestly say that I don’t crave anymore. But old habits die hard. I stuffed Kodiak, Skoal, Cope, etc. into my pie hole every day for nearly 18 years. There are some activities that STILL to this day I must do with a “dip” in. The difference is now my “dip” has no nicotine in it… and it never will again.
I have been trying to kick the can lately, been dipping for 8 years now every day and feel like it’s time that the bad part of it is gonna start kickin in soon so i want out.
So I bought 12 cans of Hooch snuff and my review on it is that it is a great idea and can save alot of people their jaws lol. My issue is that it’s texture isn’t the same, it doesn’t feel like a real dip, I almost want to just eat it like beef jerkey dip. I don’t know how you could make it near identical to skoal, but that would be great. I am going to keep using it anyway because I really want to quit.
@Chuck – if you haven’t yet check out the forums – http://forum.killthecan.org/ – It’s THE best way to get and stay quit on the web!
I’m 30 and have been dipping off and on since high school (hockey player and it was always around in the locker room, buses, etc.). I am nine days shy of 1 year quit and I have to honestly say, the fake stuff is what did it for me. I had never really wanted to quit because I always enjoyed the act of dipping so much, but I have found that I receive the same enjoyment from fake dip as I do the real stuff. I was a Skoal mint and Kodiak wintergreen guy (so basically just long-cut dip) and I must say that while Hooch wintergreen is probably the closest thing flavor-wise to Kodiak, the pack and consistency is too Cope for me (never understood how anyone could dip that stuff. It’s sawdust). Given my tobacco preference in my “previous life,” SMC is HANDS DOWN the closest thing to long-cut dip. SMC straight is DEAD ON Skoal straight flavor. All of the flavors are outstanding and fairly close to their evil counterparts (wintergreen is actually fairly close to Kodiak). SMC feels, packs, spits and looks like long-cut dip. This stuff saved my life, I’m sure of it. If you were a long-cut user, try SMC.
Just realized that sounded like an ad. I promise you, I am not a paid spokesman! Hahahahaha.
@Bob – congrats on an outstanding beginning to your quit! Truly “wanting” it really does make a difference. I’m sure you have already, but please make sure you research Chantix… here’s a post we made a while back: http://wp.me/pvI1N-2q
I’m only 50 hours in but surprisingly, after 25 years of dipping 3-4 cans of Cope a week, I’m not having any cravings. I’ve tried multiple times but never really WANTED to, if you know what I mean, and wasn’t at all successful except for short periods of time. This time, I decided enough was enough so I bought a hypnotherapy MP3 and bought Chantix. I decided to also get some Smokey Mountain but haven’t even put it in yet. Amazing!
Well, this is my 1st post. My last dip was 58 hours ago and I feel like crap. I’ve been dipping Copenhagen /redseal for 34 years. Right at a can a day for the past decade or so. Bought some nic gum yesterday and chewed it till my jaws hurt. Chewed some sunflower seeds too. A buddy told me a product called back off helped him quit. I’m gonna try it tomorrow. Still got the can in my pocket. Any advice would be appreciated.
I”ve tried the hooch and smc but is there any that are close to the taste of Kodiak. Can anyone help me out.
@Scott C – I was a Kodiak guy. I find Hooch Wintergreen to be the closest out there. Jake’s Wintergreen is decent but a bit “sweeter” thank Kodiak: http://blog.killthecan.org/2010/10/jakes-mint-chew-review/
SO far Chattahoochie and Smokey mtn. top my list. The ginger from Wisconsin tasted good but won’t help me quit. Also got some licorice sticks to chew on – that was no good. Trying to alternate Chattahoochie with the real stuff every other time.
Smokey Mountain brand is the way to go. Consistency is nearly identical to the real thing and ya spit like you would with a real dip. Good combo for a guy tryin to quit.
Just got my sampler of Chattahoochie today – love the cans BTW. I’ll post my thoughts on it next week – I want to give it a good shot while working outside this weekend.
Anyone have a good substitute for Chew (not dip). I LOVE Redman and other chews and have tried just about all the herbal products (Golden Eagle, Smoky Mtn.) but they all are much more like dip, not chew.
I ordered some Wisconsin’s finest today – I’ll give that one a shot next.
Hi my names Kelly. I’ve been chewing/ dipping for two years. I’m 17. I’ve dipped grizz, cope, longhorn, Kodiak,Skoal,and chewed Redman. All my friends dip and I’ve gotten in trouble for dipping in school 3 times last year. My parents made me try to quit, but it failed. I finally decided i want to quit and told my mom about my decision and she’s being very supportive. I decided id give the Smokey mountain snuff a try because i enjoy having a fat pinch in my lip, but don’t like the idea of ending up with mouth cancer so i figured the herbal snuff would be a good substitute. My planned quit date is Wednesday march 16. I would appreciate advice from veteran ex dippers. Email me at firstname.lastname@example.org for advice and quitting tips. Thank you.
How do you find Hooch? I have chewed Cope for 10 1/2 years and just recently gave it up (on day 7 today). The cravings are getting slightly better but it’s definitely still hard. I have tried to ease off before with some other fake brands but never had much luck in finding something that tastes close enough to Cope to really satisfy.
Any input is appreciated!
@Wade – I believe Hooch is available on the Internet only. If you order through this link you’ll get a discount for KTC members: http://www.hoochsnuff.com/Main.aspx?AFID=killthecan
Well I dipped for 7 years and quit 4 months ago. I work overseas and the days are long. 12-15 hour workdays 7 days a week. So Im really busy all the time and it really helped kill urges. I also started going to the gym and I have lost 20 lbs since quiting believe it or not.
Problem Im having is I still have cravings. Mainly after I eat. I diet and eat healthy and some of the food I eat is not very satisfying. So I think it assists the cravings I have.
I found this website today looking for alternatives. After reading some of this blog and some of the alternative chew, I have a question.
Should I go with an alternative chew? Are their unhealthy side effects of alternative chews?
I like many others actually loved chewing tobacco. So I think its the habit of it rather than the nicotine. So Im wondering if I should use it or not.
@Shawn – I’m a HUGE proponent of the fake stuff. Use it as often as necessary to keep the real stuff out of your mouth. Hang in there!
im 15 and been dipping for 2 years….realized my great grandpa died from it and now im trying to quit. i hope this helps
Doug – it absolutely will help – congrats on a great decision. Let us know how we can help.
Hey guys..how long does/did it take before the cravings stopped. i am 29 days with no dip, (skoal)–cold turkey. i am at my worst when i think about things i need to concentrate heavily on like taxes, other paperwork, goal setting, etc. i still cannot concentrate well and when i think about the difficulty i will have when i have to sit down to read/write, etc. i just go crazy. almost went off the bandwagon last night..but held on. i really don’t know how much longer i can go. thanks.
Ronald – it takes quite a while for the cravings to go away “completely”. I’d suggest you join the forums at http://forum.killthecan.org/ – there are over 7,000 members there who understand what you’re going through. A GREAT way to get past those tough times.
Started smoking matches and snatched cigs at 12 years old thanks to a neighborhood buddy whose whole freakin’ family smoked. Tried my best to be a Redman-Beechnut-Levi chewer in early teens. Lived in a tobacco farm town and absolutely everybody did it. By about 19 years old I was up to 2-packs a day of Marlboro reds in the box. We called ’em “Cowboy Killers”.
Around that time I started lifting weights with a cousin who dipped Copenhagen. He told me to get off cigarettes if I ever wanted to go anywhere with the weights. I had been introduced to Copenhagen several years earlier by another cousin who used it. I was proud to have not puked my guts out, as most first-timers do. So when this cousin suggested I switch to dippin”, it was easy.
I’m 48 now. I quit dipping about 6 months ago. There were eras where I was Dipping at least 2 cans of regular finecut Copenhagen a day, PLUS 3 or 4 packs of cigarettes a week. And believe it or not, I’d usually have on hand in the truck somewhere a pack of Taylor’s Pride chewing tobacco, and a box of Swisher Sweets for a little variety. I am, (was), truly a tobacco addict. I dearly loved every single minute of it, introduced into my body in any form. If there is a tobacco demon, he had my number, and had it in his pocket.
I haven’t looked in my mouth for at least 3 years, other than to brush my teeth. I won’t let the Dr. look either. Yeah, I know, don’t even say it. Got buddies the same way though. And no, my teeth aren’t from “Deliverance”, their all there, and white.
One night about 6 months ago, out of the blue, I had a dream like no other dream I’ve ever had before. My little brother, who was killed in a traffic accident back in ’92, came to me in this dream, or vision, or whatever it was. Even though he had been gone for many years, I had never dreamed of him, or of any other deceased relatives or acquaintances. It was as if he had stepped out of the door of heaven for a brief period, just to meet with me.
I was overcome with emotion, as I had loved my brother very much. We embraced as I told him how much I loved and missed him, and he told me the same. I asked him if he thought I was going to make it into heaven and he said, ” They like you a lot up here, but they say you smoke.” I also asked him when Jesus was coming back, but then before he could answer I realized the futile nature of the question and told him nevermind I know only God knows that, and that I just figure he will come sooner or later. To that, my brother chuckled and said “you better figure sooner, than later!”
I awoke with my left ear plastered to my pillow, heart pounding in my head. About 2:30 AM. I rolled onto my back, and began praying to God. As I did this, I began to experience something like chills, or energy traveling up and down my body, from head to toe, over and over. I was afraid, not knowing if I was dying, or what. I told God that I would throw all my snuff away, and that I would never use tobacco again. In other words, 10-4, message recieved, loud and clear!
As I brushed my teeth later that morning, I saw in the bathroom mirror the physical reminder of my earlier experience. You see, I’m a roughneck. Bricklayer, blocklayer, stonemason, SWAT cop, anything physical, I love it. And I don’t bruise. Been in car wrecks, but never bruise. I don’t even remember the last time my skin actually showed bruising. And I’ve had my share of trauma to the body. Yet there it was, having appeared overnight. Three small bruises on the front of my left biceps. About the size of the ends of an adult’s fingers.
I believe God made or let this happen, to substantiate my experience. He knows my heart, so he knows that I’m critical of those who claim physical “sightings”, and such.
Anyway, you decide what this means to you. What it meant to me was, stop using tobacco if you want to spend eternity in heaven with my wonderful and glorious God of the universe.
I know I’ll never take another dip. Or puff. Or chew. Or anything. I truly wish success to all of you who seek it. It’s like being an alcoholic. We may always consider in our minds stepping off the wagon, but must not, or we will be thrown under and ran over by it.
I have been dipping for 13 years. I’m thinking of quitting. I know I can’t do it cold turkey. Does anyone know of a good cheap fake dip? Everyone I’ve seen costs more than regular tobacco dip. I need help please.
John – here’s a list of non-tobacco alternatives: https://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp Many of them are in fact as expensive or more expensive than the real stuff, but it’s totally worth it to keep the real stuff out of your mouth. Also, many folks on our forums have used candy, tea bags, coffee grounds, etc. with some success.
does this hooch and smoky mountain dip still tear the gum down?
@Kevin – I’d say that putting anything between your cheek and gum isn’t necessarily a “good” thing that that yes you’ll probably see a bit of gum wear. That said, the alternative dips aren’t anywhere near as bad as the real thing. I always tell people to chew as much of the fake stuff as necessary during their quit.
I too dipped for around 23 years, mostly Skoal and Copenhagen. I am on day 4 without any nicotine/tobacco. The wintergreen Hooch is helping alot. If you really enjoy the physical part of dipping, this really helps. It does seem to stain your teeth more than the real stuff but I go to the dentist every 3 months and think its worth the trade. Its also half the price of the real stuff in South Florida.
Oh….no fake dip either….I just put on 70lbs….lol…..starting an excercise and diet plan now, but the cravings for cope are history and have been for awhile.
Dipped copenhagen religiously for almost 30 years. I quit 2 years ago. I loved my cope….let me tell you, quitting was not my idea. It came down to finances. The economy took a crap and even though I did not get laid off my hours took a hit, and the furnace decided to take a shit too. So, I could not afford a new furnace and the cope, the cope had to go. It turned out to not be as bad as I thought. I believe because I was faced with no choice. I have since become financially stable and can afford it but why would I?
My advice is to quit because you have no other real choice and that means convincing yourself mentally you have no choice. If you are able to do that then the quitting should be easier. I had tried to quit in the past but I never felt like I had to quit. I always quit because I wanted to.
Do whatever it takes to convince yourself you have no choice and the road is bumpy but bumps that aren’t near as bad.
Like many others who have posted, I am attempting to quit after 30 years of chewing and dipping. I have the two most precious boys in the world, ages 6 & 10, and I want to see them grow up. Started noticing the dipping was making my gums and lips irritated. I have seen the pictures, and do not want to go there. I am going to try Smokey Mt. if needed, but every time I want a dip now I just picture my two boys and the craving goes away shortly. May God gives us all the strength to tackle this terrible addiction. I will keep all of my fellow “quitters” in prayer. Good Luck to all of us.
hey guys about 2 months ago i went 4 days of cold turkey, no help at all by gum oranything. i jus ended up stuffing my face with food. on the 5th day, i broke down and put in a huge fatty of Grizz Straight, my fave. Havent attempted to quit since. When i do, i want fake dip, cause for me its more the physical addiction to the lump as apposed to the nicotine. I want some input on what u guys feel is the best “fake dip” so lemme know. email me if you want at either of the following with links, or questions.
thanks guys, good luck on quittin. its one nasty habbit
Jagman. First off, congrats. Second, how’d it go with the insurance test? Your story, duration, etc., is almost identical to mine. Wondering how long it takes from cold turkey to clear the system. I’m on day 6.
You guys wanna quit move to canada, a tin of skoal here is $16, if I lived in the states my mouth would be gone. I dip a tin a week and I’m trying to stop
I dipped Copenhagen for 23 years at a can a day for most of those years, ever since baseball in college, and I still love it but I am having a hard time justifying it with three kids. I quit cold turkey 27 days ago for an upcoming life insurance blood test; I am taking the test in another week or so and I’ve decided I really want to turn quitting into a permanent thing.
I ordered a sleeve of the Oregon Mint that helped a lot in those early weeks. The texture is very sticky compared to tobacco, but it still helped me get through the rough spots. To assist through the period after the blood test I just ordered some Hooch and Smokey Mountain.
I still really do miss it after a good meal or when I’m working outside or late at night watching Sportscenter etc. – all the prime times. But I just wanted to lend some strength to those that have been snapping cans for a long time – you can do it. I *never* thought I could go a month without it and yet here I am so far, and feeling ok!
I think the substitutes are good choices for those of us that have deeply ingrained habits.
I need to quit (again). Skoal wintergreen is over 5 bucks a can and I’m adding the numbers on those 2-3 cans a week. $15*52= $780. Thats one good reason to quit. I always buy skoal original finecut. Its everywhere. I’m not sure if its greed or government that makes it so expensive now. It can’t cost but a buck or less to make. Someone is taking advantage of me (us) with those prices, another good reason to quit.
I can’t say skoal has been bad to my teeth and mouth. I think tobacco actually kills the bacteria that causes tooth decay and the fake stuff is worse for your teeth. I learned over the years (30 by the way) of chewing to insert it in different places, up top, off to the side a little, on the bottom, just to keep that white spot from forming after keeping a wad in for a long time over and over in the same place.
I guess you could call me a hard core chewer. About the only time I took it out was to eat and then put some more right back in. Every day all day even sleeping with it sometimes only to wake up after swallowing the mouthful of accumulated juices in my sleep. The burn.
Last time I quit, oregon mint snuff did it for me. It tastes mostly like skoal. I kept it in all the time just like skoal and somehow it filled the void. My mind was topsy turvy for a while, hey the lump is there but where’s the buzz? Chewed more and more till the nicotine withdrawal was over and after some time, realized that I didn’t need to chew anymore.
I have been a dipper for about 13 years on and off.I recently quit, it is going on about a month. the first week a hard one but with the help of smc it was a little easier. Now I use the sunflower seeds to keep my mind off of the dip
I also was scarred of the pictures that you can see on the internet. So I amd going on a month, so wish me luck and good luck to all of you and god bless
BTW… Whomever runs this blog or started it… kudos.
My name is Kevin. I’m 40 years old, and have a wife and two boys. Live in KS.
I’ve chewed for 20 + years. Started in college and haven’t quit since. In that time I’ve chewed Kodiak, Skoal, Skoal Bandits, Redman, Levi Garrett, and most recently I switched to Camel Snus Frost Pouches. Love the flavor of the Frost pouches from Camel.
Anyway, my story is only a little involved….
I don’t know how common this is, but I learned to swallow (rather than spit) from day 1. The guy that gave me a dip said it was a lot easier to do that than spit all of the time – so that’s what I did.
As a result, I have Barrett’s esophogus, and have to have an upper GI every couple of years. Chances of cancer are increased dramatically.
My sister is a dental hygienist, and so I get to hear it from her all of the time.
VERY recently my father in law, an alcoholic, was diagnosed with mouth cancer and next week will have his tongue and the lower part of his FACE removed entirely.
I can’t tell you how scary this is to me now that I’m faced with it on a more personal level.
I just quit TWO days ago, and it’s actually not quite as bad as I thought. I have had sweats, and after eating is obviously a bear, but I’m getting by with nicorette.
I am THINKING about picking up some smokey mountain and giving it a try, but I have a feeling that it will do me more harm than good. I have tried Oregon and a couple of others, but really didn’t care for them. I like chewing gum better when I tried them.
So far, I’ve tried Hooch Cherry and Oregon Mint Snuff, the Beaver Chew, Cinnamon snuff, and both the Mint and Wintergreen pouches. Of the snuff, I definitely like the Hooch better. The jury is still out on the Oregon Mint pouches. I’m waiting for samples from Smokey Mountain Snuff. None of the stuff I’ve tried so far are very close to the real deal. I’ve used Skoal for over 2 years, now. Of the Skoal, I’ve used Vanilla, Apple, Cherry, Citrus, Mint, and Peach–all Long Cut. I’ve dipped several of the pouches, as well. I’ve also had Copenhagen’s Long Cut Wintergreen. That was ok. The Cope pouches made me sick. So, I’ve got a little bit of experience w/tobacco based chew. I’m hoping that I can find one of these “fake chews” that’ll help. I want to quit. Today is Day 2 for me. So far, I’ve had a single dip of tobacco in the last 24 hours. The rest has been the Oregon Mint or the Hooch. We shall see.
been trying out some of the fake dips lately, so far i like the Smokey Mountain Straight, as it is the closest i have come to any fakey actually tasting like real chew. unlike a many people who have posted i chew the fake stuff because i like chewing. if i could find a fake (and safe) snuff that tasted almost like copenhagen original (or any other “natural” flavor) i would probably chew it for the rest of my life. speaking of that, anyone know of a fake chew that tastes very similar to Copenhagen original? hehe
Yeah Smoke Mountain is in Wal-Mart, but I find the other varieties to be a little better. Google something like Nicotene free chew or Mint Snuff. You can order directly from most of the companies. If you dip Grizzly or Timberwolf, they are about the same price per can which kind of sucks….BUT is much cheaper that spending thousands on dental work or cancer treatment.
You can also find them at most tobacco stores. I live in NY and Walmart/super markets don’t carry the fake stuff, so I had to look into the tobacco stores which they had a large selection of the fake dip.
hey guys i was wondering where you got this fake dip…
Bear – Smokey Mountain is found in most WalMart’s nationwide. The others (Hooch, etc) can be found on their websites which you can find here: https://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp
Haven’t been a long dipper, but have chewed more frequently this last year. Going to make a commitment to taper and quit for good.
I have not had a “real dip” in 4 months. I had dipped skoal or timberwolf for 10 years and had never tried to quit until now. I was using a can to can and a half a day and started using Bacc-Off and it’s helped a lot. I would try the other brands because I dipped long cut and this stuff is really fine but only one store in the whole county carries this so I’ll make due. What made me quit was seeing the pictures of the 19 year old boy who died from dipping and just looking at mouth cancer pictures in general. It literally scared me so much I had to quit. I’m glad I did, it made me feel like I was back in control.
What’s the best way to encourage my Hubby to quit…I’m concerned but don’t wanna blow it by bringing up my concern the wrong way?
Yea you could do the half and half thing, and it does work for some people. I tried that and failed, the only way I made was cold turkey. I’m now on my 100th day, and I did it cold turkey. It sucked, but I got through it. The point is just go with what works best for you.
Taper down. Don’t punish yourself with cold turkey. First week or too, cut number of dips/day in half or less. Don’t dip when you most enjoy it (driving to work, morning coffee, etc.). Next one or two weeks, reduce number of dips/day to half what it was the previous week or two. Keep doing this until you can quit. Also, use the fake chew. Buy and try different brands to see which one you like best before you begin to taper. Don’t worry about learning a habit of using fake chew. Break the nicotine “addiction” then worry about unlearning a “habit”. use the fake chew when you crave a dip.
If you find yourself struggling at first with the “fake” stuff, combine half and half. Then every other can or so, decrease the amount of “real” dip and increase the amount of “fake” dip. For wintergreen/mint dippers, a suitable flavor of “fake” dip is easy to find, but for the Straight and goofy, fruity flavors it can be a bit tough. Hooch makes a flavor called Classic that is very similar to Copenhagen, they also make a Cherry(it’s gross). Anyone know of a Straight flavored substitute?
Sure, this isn’t quitting per say, but I found that it really helps with the nicotine cravings further along in your path of quitting. Not everyone is a gangster, and can quit cold turkey. Congrats to those of you that have! You are a better man than I am.
To be honest the fake stuff helped me, and your probably going to fall of the wagon a few times brfore you get right, I did. I chewed for 17 years and i’m now on day 71. The first 3 weeks was a bitch, but got through it. If you are going to use the fake stuff I would recommend Hooch or Smokey Mountain. Those 2 are the closest your gonna get to the real stuff. Well good luck with your quit Skoal Straight.
I’ll tell ya what man, if you feel the need to dip whatsoever, don’t let it build. just order some mint hooch. it gets me by and is a pretty decent cure for boredom as well haha. I promise ya, it doesn’t feed the need. it’s in a seperate league. been good for about a year now but still throw in some hooch on those long drives. it really is good stuff, glad its there
good luck to everyone here.
I am a newbie (as i guess i am called).
I have never posted online before, and i have never tried to quit dip before.
I’ve been a Tin a day for 15+ Years and loved every second and every dip of it.
live a great life, and have to give it up.
I am on Day-1 of my quit.
Trying to do it cold turkey (Seeds, Gum), but no fake stuff (Well that is the plan).
any advise would be greatly appreciated.
I honestly believe that Hooch is how I have made it through these initial days. I drive for a living and it was nothing big to take a huge dip and keep it 3-4 hours easily! What I do now is add more cheyenne pepper for more of a burn like tabacoo. Plus cheyenne pepper is very good for you! It has helped me very much, I went from a pack+ a day smoker to a can+ a day dipper to half a can of Hooch! Tell me what is best or healthier?
Just found this site on a random search. Not usually a big poster but will give you the details in a nutshell…..
Copenhagen Snuff user for 28 years
14 yr old daughter writes me a letter reminding me of how my dad died of lung cancer at 64 and has not had a chance to see 14 grandkids grow up. Tugged at the heart strings a bit.
Quit last Monday, April 24th, COLD TURKEY. Been on seeds, pistachios, life savers and gum.
Have chosen not to go to fake dip, because for some reason I feel like I am secretly feeding the beast. Would like to pretty much be done with anything regarding dip that I have to put in my mouth.
Anyway, just my food for thought. It is incredibly difficult, but surprisingly easy this time around. I dont know why, as many of you like me have probably tried to quit 100’s of times. Thanks for the chance to tell my side. Good luck to all of you …..
thanks for the tip Chewie! I wanted eveyone to know I am on week 9 and doing great with nothing and this is after 26 + years straight of chewing! If I can do this anyone can.
I’ve found all the fake chews to break apart more readily and the fake ones do tend to stick to your teeth more, and whatever else it happens to fall on. It all comes down to taste for the most part, so issues like breaking apart and sticking to lips and teeth aren’t all that important. I”ve been on the fake stuff now for about six months, and now I”m trying to give that up also. Any of you guys out there have any experience with this? If I can’t do it, I will resume my Smokey Mountain and not consider myself a failure. So far, the psychological cravings for the fake stuff seem to be telling me I”m not ready yet.
The Smokey Mountain is pretty good, it still breaks up a little bit, but does hold together a lot better than the other stuff.
I’m also new to this “substitute-tobacco free” dip. I’ve been dipping off and on for about 8 years myself. I’m in the same boat as you with the certain activities go hand and hand with dipping thing. Yardwork, video games, certain bathroom activities (GASP) go hand and hand with dipping.
I’ve tried Hooch and also The Oregon Mint companies products. I prefer the latter as the Hooch variety seems to stain my teeth almost worse than Grizzly. It may also be the fact that I dipped mint flavored dips which is why I prefer the Oregon Mint Snuff stuff. It doesn’t seem to have any of the ingredients that John mentioned either:
Maltitol Syrup (sugar-free syrup derived from corn syrup that doesnt promote tooth decay)
Mint (the product itself is actual mint leaves and can be swallowed)
Natural Flavors (hmm…)
Tocopherols (Vitamin E)
Potassium Sorbate (preservative for freshness)
The problem with all the stuff I tried is it all separates in your mouth terribly creating quite a mess when its time to remove it. Does anyone know another brand which stays packed firm similar to the actual tobacco dips?
John mentions to use in moderation so I was curious if anyone was aware of the long-termish effects of these substitutes. I realize anything is better than Skoal, Cope, Kodiak, Grizzly…just curious.
Hats off the to doitforHim, and I wish I could of done the same. I’ve tried cold turkey and it’s failed miserably for me. The “STF” dips seems to help me much more seeing as I haven’t had a dip in nearly 2 weeks. Studying up on the affects of quitting is a great idea! I’m searching for some helpful pages now.