Product Reviews
    1 week ago

    Green Leaf Organic Mint Pouches Review

    Back this afternoon with another long overdue review. I tell you, when this pandemic first…
    Your Quit
    2 weeks ago

    Hall of Fame in 2020 – You’re Almost Out of Time

    Have you quit yet? Do you want to be able to consider yourself a ‘KTC…
    2020 HOF Coin Travels
    2 weeks ago

    Morning Quit on the Ouachita

    KillTheCan.org forum member Bubblehed with some foggy morning quit on the Ouachita River. Do you…
    2020 HOF Speeches
    3 weeks ago

    365 Days For Uncle Pat

    When we were young, we all had friends.  In that small group we each had…
    Testimonials
    3 weeks ago

    I Get To Do This

    KillTheCan.org follower Ben reached out with this awesome story. He had this to say: “I…
    Comma Club
    3 weeks ago

    Five Year Quit HOF – Put the Work In

    I never wrote a hall of fame speech. I didn’t have the confidence in myself…
    2020 Quitter Meets
    4 weeks ago

    Stillbrewing and MuleMan at Nifty Fifty’s

    KillTheCan.org forum members Stillbrewing and MuleMan got together at Nifty Fifty’s in Folsom, PA. Do…
    Random Thoughts
    August 26, 2020

    Brother’s Gotta Hug

    I was on the phone with a fellow quitter yesterday afternoon. It had been a…
    Random Thoughts
    August 22, 2020

    It’s the Weekend – Keep It Simple

    The act of putting your name on a line and giving a PROMISE is the…
    Product Reviews
    August 16, 2020

    BaccOff Coffee Pouches – Vanilla Review

    Back this morning with another long overdue product review. I’m not quite sure how this…

    Latest Product Reviews

      Product Reviews
      1 week ago

      Green Leaf Organic Mint Pouches Review

      Back this afternoon with another long overdue review. I tell you, when this pandemic first started I was really thinking…
      Product Reviews
      August 16, 2020

      BaccOff Coffee Pouches – Vanilla Review

      Back this morning with another long overdue product review. I’m not quite sure how this one slipped through the cracks…
      Product Reviews
      July 18, 2020

      Dryv Energy Pouches Review – Vanilla and Mint

      Good morning quitters! Back again this morning with another product review with a brand new player in the alternative space…
      Product Reviews
      March 28, 2020

      De Schreds Coconut Chew Review

      Back when I quit dipping in 2006 there was a product on the market called KIKIT which was made from…

      233 Comments

      1. Got my last fatty of Grizzly Longcut wintergreen in right now. Took the last huge pinch left of the can and threw it in the safe. Hope I can make it through this time. Dec. 14th 5 am.

        1. Why save it, even in the safe? Flush that shit. Take the concept of dipping OFF THE TABLE in your mind. If you’re saying things like “I hope” I can make it, you’re destined to fail. Change your vocabulary… it’s a small but powerful tool.

          You CAN do this.

          1. Thanks CHEWIE. Yes, you are right. I CAN, and will do this. Threw the can out earlier around 2 pm or so. Right now 13 hours in. The struggle is starting to get real. I will make it through.. Thanks for your support…
            Kenneth.

              1. Your forums are too sensitive bro. It’s a good ol boy club. I had a slight disagreement with a so called vet, or my bad… a guy who is ruled by his wife or where he has no no life. He decided it was was best that instead of listening he reported and banned me. So no. The forums is not a good site. I would not recommend it to no one. And I still remember the low life’s screen name.

            1. Kenneth, bad news, you will more than likely feel like a Mack Truck hit you very soon. Good news? It does go away. There are so many ways to cope with the withdrawals, cruise this site & use all of the tools here to help you. Good luck bro…..

            2. Hey Kenneth, for me it was the opposite. I logged in to the forums and tried to find my spot in there, couldn’t make sense of the site. I got into a chat room where people were chatting away and as soon as I said hi, everyone stopped talking and popping out of there. I got out of there and never returned. Instead I came here and started writing about my daily struggle, it helped me. In the process I met a couple of guys in here (JeffJ, JayP, Shiva, Cal and others) and support each other as well as everyone else that posts in here.
              Hang in there man, the first few days are the worst.

              DDD
              423 days

          2. Exactly. Changed my mindset from “I want to quit” to “I dont want to do this anymore”. Haven’t had a dip in 184 days. To me it was just the simplest of changes that made the biggest impact.

      2. I’m 2 months into my quit and I feel like I’m constantly dizzy throughout the whole day with periods of fog. But I’m worried about the dizziness. Has anyone else experienced dizziness though the whole day last 2 months!?

        1. Just look at my comments below yours.. i have been dealing with it for almost 6 months. Mine is more than dizzy, i have ear pain, headaches and dizzy, I am just fighting through.

      3. Quit chewing 2 months ago and still dealing with what feels like dizziness throughout the whole day, everyday has anyone else gone through this? Its driving me crazy.

      4. I dont know what to do anymore. On day 162 and i just went like a little over a week with no symptoms. Now last two days i am back to pressure and pain in back of neck and head, leads to headaches and dizzyness that feels like it runs up back and sides of head to the top of my head. As soon as i am in the clear it seems to come back. I feel like all this should be gone by now. I use a neck massager and it seems to help. I went to chiropractor this morning but symptoms seem to be the same. Has anyone else experienced this? i had blood taken a year ago and i was good. I just dont know what to do now.. it never ends.

        1. It does end man! I felt the same way. Look back at my comments. Now I’ve been doing great for the last 2 weeks idk if it has anything to do with this but I started taking fish oil vitamin b vitamin d and magnesium and feel so much better

          1. Its funny that at the beginning of the quit, you are hoping to have one good day with no symptoms, and by the time you reach over 200 day, you are pissed off about having one bad day in the middle of all the good ones. It gets better, time heals all things.

        2. Hang in there I had some of the same crap going on I’m on day 1189 now and hardly ever even think about it and I dipped for nearly 40 years

        3. Don’t throw your hard work away!! You will feel worse by caving in. You don’t need dip! Water, exercise, talk to yourself… Whatever it takes….

        4. Maybe anxiety, you took away one of your bodies way of coping with life bullshit. I had the same thing, just work through it. My theory anyway….

      5. Day 169 I stuck through all of the anxiety, headaches, dizziness, being light headed, sore throat, stomach problems, and much more and can say this last week I’ve had absolutely no symptoms! And feel pretty great again

        1. Day 1 fellas I’m sure this is going to be rough, but just going to take it a day at a time. What is worst part about first few days?

      6. Day 4 and mind is racing. Decided to quit after 15 years and almost two tins a day. Last night woke up in the middle of the night to my heart racing. Anxiety has my mind in loops, one day I feel something in my throat, the next day I have chest pains. Has anyone had any of these symptoms? And if so what kind of chest pain? Thanks again

        1. Absolutely experienced chest pains. Took myself to the ER – TWICE – during the first couple of weeks of my quit. Legit thought I was having a heart attack. Prognosis – anxiety due to quitting dip.

          No shit doc.

          Keep fighting Jim – the good news is you don’t ever have to feel this way again and the worst is behind you. It takes nic about 72 hours to work its way out of your system and you’re beyond that – CONGRATS. You’re now nicotine free. Just don’t re-introduce it to your system and you’ve got nowhere to go but toward freedom.

        2. Jim its all normal. 99% of us have been through it. You arent dying. Your body is giving you the fits because it doesnt have its fix. Dont cave, I wont lie to you it can take months to get over but it will fade day by day. I can assure you it will pass and it may get worse before it does but it will pass. Like chewie said i also went to ER 3 times. Everytime i was fine and so are you. You may get dizzy also and a whole list of things. Your body is healing. Stick with it.

          1. Thanks Chewie and Davee, a lot of symptoms have passed and I’m still nic free. Still getting some chest discomfort here and there and trying my best to just tell myself it will pass and anxiety. Do either of you recall what kind of feeling it felt like? Would just feel a little better knowing yours felt the same.

            1. Hey Jim, the symptoms I experienced were almost like a heart attack, pain in chest, pain in arm, sometimes in the jaw. It seems that the more you read about heart attacks the more your brain mimics those symptoms. They become so real that some of us go to the Emergency room more than once. You become reclusive and do not want to go anywhere, anxiety and panic attacks can develop. I never experienced those until i quit. So all of these things come because your body wants to back to the nicotine fix. The best thing to do is to get checked by a doctor, once you discover there is nothing physically wrong with you, then you can start healing yourself by telling yourself, “there is nothing wrong with me” Until then you will be wondering if there is something wrong and continue on that loop.
              hope that helps.

              Day 417

              DDD

        3. I gotta get off this stuff, gonna try to get through tomorrow dip free. I’ve quit before and always ended up back in it somehow.

      7. I hate to say it but I fell off the wagon. I’m ashamed of myself. I made it 130 days but recently have been dipping on and off. At one point in my quit I had my mind made up that I was never going to touch that shit again. But I started to let my guard down. I came back to college where I’m on the baseball team and as you can imagine dip is all over the place. I got lazy and got back on it. Tomorrow starts a new journey. time to get serious

        1. NOAH,

          TRUE STORY, as you stated, “Dip is all over the place.” You must be ready to quit and when you decide to be clean of nicotine you must be proactive minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day, in your quit success.

          A suggestion, if/when you attempt to quit again, join a quit group, KTC is a great place, hold yourself to a higher standard and accountable to yourself and your quit buddies.

          Good luck!

          @Sig45 1500 + days quit.

      8. 134 days. I know what I’ll be thankful for this year!! Safe travels and Happy Thanksgiving to all my quit brothers. Stay safe and stay quit.

          1. BIGSMOOVE77,

            Yes; turns out I have AFIB but not sure it was quit related.
            I say to be safe, check in with Doc if it don’t feel right!

            @Sigman45
            1500 + or so

          2. Brother. I feel all sorts of weird stuff. Aches and pains, anxiety, depressed, and general weird crap. Just hand in there and power through. Johnnybub 7 weeks

          3. Yes, I experienced that from time to time. I went as far as getting an EKG and my heart was good. It is more than likely anxiety related.

          4. Yes, I had that happen from time to time. I finally went to the doctor and got an EKG, everything was normal. It is more than likely anxiety related.

      9. It’s day 151 for me and I’m hoping the symptoms are just from this quit. I have been having a recent headache more around the front of my head along with pressure and a weird feeling in my head. I’m definitely starting to get worried as I’m also mixing up some words and can’t really concentrate to great.

        1. Hey just to ease your pain I she some insight. I am 140 something days. Had crazy dizzy spells, neck pain, pressure, headaches.. it made me constantly check my blood pressure even though I never had blood pressure issues. Then you get anxiety and the blood pressure goes up. What I am getting at is it’s all normal to have at this stage. A lot of guys do. After researching I found out that you get depleted of magnesium with all the stress quitting puts on ur body and a lot of that head stuff you are feeling is from low magnesium. Go to target and pick up magnesium citrate for like 10 bucks. I did it and the next day all the head pressure, confusion and dizzy was was gone. Completely gone. Try it out and come back and let me know.

      10. 600 days today – For you folks early in your quit experiencing terrible symptoms, all I can say is push through it. I had pretty much every withdrawal symptom there is; anxiety, fog, dizziness, tingling in hands/arms, chest pain, inability to concentrate on anything. I came very close to caving many times because the symptoms were so tough for me to deal with. I went to the doctor and ER multiple times thinking something had to be wrong with me. I used every ounce of willpower in my body to push through and continue my quit and I am so glad I did. I am now 600 days nicotine free and I feel the best I have in a really long time. It does get better if you just stay the course. Thank you for this site. It is such a cliche but so true for me – I could not have done it without this site. I don’t get on the site much anymore which I guess is a good thing because I dont really have cravings or symptoms anymore….but wanted to drop in on my 600 day mark to share a little encouragement for anyone struggling right now.

        1. Needed this this morning, Doug, thank you. I’m on day 26 completely tobacco/nicotine free, and I’ve slumped into a little depression because of all said symptoms. It’s been rough. I’m doing my best and it’s great to hear there is a light at the end of the tunnel!

          1. Day 20 for me and this morning is worst day yet. Insomnia, depression, crying lol. Won’t cave no matter what, going for a long walk.. goodluck

            1. MIKE,

              Hang in there; the better is coming and the worst is behind you.
              Join a quit group and make this quit official; I did and this is the reason I speak with you today. I too was also in your shoes with day 20, 30, 40 etc. My Quit Group, the 2015 December Disciples, helped me stay 100% clean of all nicotine and 100% accountable to self, family, group and friends. I credit this group for my success 1550 quit days later.

              Respectfully, @Sig45

        2. 600 that is awesome!! I’m at 122 today. I feel better but I’m not out of the woods. I still think about it a lot and while not as frequent…the anxiety is still there. 600 seems like a long ways but after 21 years of addiction, I’ve come a long ways already. Keep us posted as the years roll on. Congrats on 600!!

        3. Go Doug! I just hit 500 days yesterday and want to echo what you said for those struggling. I had the fog and anxiety for around the first 300 days of my quit. They reared their ugly head less frequently as I progressed through my quit but were still there. Since May I have felt great, no symptoms whatsoever. It does get better!

      11. Day 43. New to the forum. But reading y’all’s comment a have helped. I’m 23 years old and have dipped for a little over 7 years. I don’t have cravings just the anxiety. Any suggestions?

        1. 43 days is huge and I like hearing that you’re giving it up at 23. For me, two things were critical: sugarless gum and exercise. Sometimes the anxiety would get so bad that I would just go out walking for 2+ hours. Anything to take my attention off that damned anxiety. Also, use the numbers of those in your quit group. Sometimes 1/2 hour chat can really help. I’m at 1324 days clean. I promise it will get better.

          1. Anxiety is normal when quitting… almost everyone on this site used nicotine as their anti anxiety medication. Exercise helps tremendously with anxiety, so try to get in a routine of doing that. Eating a clean diet also helps. If you are struggling too much with anxiety/depression there is always prescribed medication from the doctors!

            1. Stay away from anxiety medication! My Dr. prescribed me Ativan to take after i have seizures. I found it helped me sleep so i started taking 1mg every night. I had never heard of benzos and my Doctor did not warn me. After taking for prob 3-4 months i tried to stop and found out how addicted my body had become. From what ive read the withdrawals can actually kill you. Earlier this year my pharmacy cut me off cold turkey while my doctor was on vacation and felt the actual pain of withdrawals and ended up in the ER twice. If you can imagine what nicotine, alcohol and heroin withdrawals would feel like all at the same time thats about as close as i can describe it. Over the last 4 months ive been tapering off 1/4 mg Every 2 month, down to 1/2 a night and doing ok so far. next month going to drop to 1/4. Luckily tapering not getting any serious withdrawals symptoms so far but luckily i never abused it, used it to get high or took more that 1mg at a time even when it quit helping me sleep but i wouldnt wish those withdrawals on my worst enemy. Read up on benzos if you are considering, your body can become addicted VERY quickly.

          2. Past 3 days have been the absolute worst. Monday I was looking forward to a BBQ with the fellas and the whole day was ruined due to these head games. Depressed mood, couldn’t eat a single thing. I tried some exercise yesterday just hoping today would be a better day. I woke up this morning with slight anxiety, but on the way to work I was fine. Now that I’m here, it has spiked thru the roof. If this is just a wave just don’t know how long it will last…

            1. PIGEON – I am on Day 260. I had my worst from days around 30-60.. I hanged in and sucked it up. After day 60, it got a lot better. I still had 3-4 bad days every 2-3 weeks but crossing those first 2 months gave me the confidence that the worst is over and I come alive successfully.

              Right now, understand your homeostasis is out of whack and it will take approximately 2 months to start stabilizing. Take ODAT.

              I quit with you

      12. Day 253 – I am hitting a funk with severe pressure around head, fog, intense craving once or twice a day, anxiety, morning blues and irritability.. I had my worst around 35-45 days and this feels exactly the same…
        Was really surprised to feel something this intense after so many days :(.

        1. Shiva,
          I am on day 259 and have been hit with fog and anxiety on and off. Mainly I have a couple days of anxiety every two or three weeks. I’m much better, but not symptom free yet.

          1. Thank you WV_Quitter. It’s exactly as you described for me — couple of days once every 2-3 weeks but last few days it was very intense.. Hope it gets better soon and we all become symptom free soon.

        2. Shiva, WV and others,

          Acknowledge the funk, breathe and move on with your quit.
          DO NOT DWELL ON THE blues, anxiety, fog, etc. distract the mind with positive thoughts; EXERCISE, QI Gong and Will yourself to win every battle everyday. You are all capable of much, much more; NO TRIGGER WILL EVER BREAK YOU!

          @Sigman45- Quit w/ all quitters today!

          1. Sigman – thanks a lot.. my funk has ended now :)… Feeling the calm again.. Being active and consciously making an effort to stay positive is helping..

        3. Shiva, i am on day 136.. I had a week with no symptoms last week then yesterday i got hit with neck and head pressure that runs towards temples. Its like a foggy dizzy feeling with pressure. Sometimes it causes headaches.. its so annoying because after a week no symptoms i thought i was in the clear. The dizzy, foggy unable to concentrate part is the worst. Really wish this would disapear for good

      13. day 124, had a week symptom free, woke up today with some dizzyness and headache feeling i had when earlier in quit.. this normal to get this on day 124?

      14. Its been 2 years today! Those first couple of months were extremely hard. I have quit cigarettes, cigars and now dip. This one was the hardest. I had gap years between vices. Nicotine is nicotine. Delivery method doesn’t matter. Just suck it up. Withdrawal feeling will pass and diminish over time. Celebrate milestones and share your success with loved ones. Also, buy gum by the bag.

          1. Hey guys I stopped today. I have been trying for a year. I have been dipping for 15yrs. I am tired of seeds gum candy. I gained 20 pounds. Any ideas on other things to try?

            1. Be sure to stock up on fake dip. Teaza is good but very sweet. Smokey mountain for me has been the best of the natural flavors but is horrible tasting. The goal is to satisfy the lip and spit cravings.

      15. Day 107!! It’s been 21 years since I’ve been this long without Copenhagen. I got my email today that my HOF coin had been shipped. I waited a little late to order because I kept thinking I might cave. I’m sure glad I didn’t. Chewie I thank you and the other admin for making this sight possible. I haven’t used the forum but I have read the posts on this screen and I’ve read a lot of the articles. I’m sure the forums are great and helpful but I couldn’t really figure it out on my phone. Thanks again to those who make this happen and you old time quitters, your posts have been an inspiration. To those who are just starting, don’t give in, if I can make it 100 days anyone can. I can’t wait until I see day 200!! God Bless America!!

        1. 1479 days. I know i dont get on here enough but honestly i dont think about it much anymore. I dont even remember the last time I had the urge to use but its been years. Just celebrated 4 years on oct 15th. A few things you people early in your quit or still having some tough times should keep in mind. 1 You spent years creating links in your brain associating Nicotine with pleasure. Each time you fight off a craving you are destroying those channels. 2 They feel bad but keep in mind most craving only last 2-3 minutes. It gets easier as you go. 3 After 3 days the hardest part is over and the nicotine is out of your system. After that its all psychological. 4 If you are considering slipping keep in mind within a day or two you will be right back where you started and you wont even be getting a buzz anymore. You will use dip just to get rid of your nicotine fit to get by until the next one. Stick with it, believe me its worth it.

      16. Congratulations on your 4 year anniversary. Im still here with you. Funny you would mention a “Funk” feeling? Every month or two i get these weird feelings. Idk how to explain it, like im on some kind of narcotic? It can last a few days to weeks. I assumed it was either recovering from a seizure or my kidneys( recently found out i have polycystic kidney disease stage 3 which has a bad effect on my bp). I am starting to wonder how much of it just might be mental? It seems to coincide with not getting enough sleep for days leading up to it. Idk if its stress or? Last week 2 days after it started i was getting ready for bed and was feeling bad. I knew there was no way i was going to be able to g2 sleep so i got up and went for a long walk about an hour, looked at the stars. When i got home i put in a movie (Rocky) and just watched it until i started falling asleep. When i woke up the next day i felt fine?

      17. You are allowing your subconscious mind to still identify those feeling with an old habit. After so long, there are no traces of the poison in your body, it sounds like you have an opportunity to deal with normal ups and downs of life without the shit in your veins. This is a chance to show yourself that you will deal with problems in a healthy way and not by using a deadly lie. Spend some time going over the many reasons why you quit. Burn those in your subconscious. Shed any idea that you are giving up something and replace it with an attitude of “I don’t have to use” anymore. MikeLF 1392

        1. Day 11 for me. Miss a dip after a meal, so I keep eating. Put on 10 pounds the last week. Any tips to stop eating so much.

          1. Two things I did more of while going through detox, eat and drink. My focus remained on the Nic demon and getting away from it. Can only deal with one crisis at a time. Try not to food binge but don’t worry about it. I am now on day 1392 after 30 years of bondage and I’m healthier than ever, losing the extra weight and alcohol free now also. ODAAT

        1. That’s not me he’s describing…..I found this site just over 4 years ago when I quit cold turkey. I was originally craigselk88 and posted on this almost everyday….and luckily had a couple great guys TOM S and DUNDIPPIN that helped me a ton.
          When the site had a system update or something I lost track of my username etc and never came back on….til now.
          The site saved me…..

      18. Day 364

        So, this will be my first comment here. I gotta say, the 1st 100 days of quit lined up exactly with the “What to expect” article here **READ EVERYTHING ON THIS SITE**. I can’t tell how glad I was to find this site. The first time I quit I made it to day 7 and thought I could celebrate with a bag of chew, bad idea… The second time a quit I made it around 70 days or so and was completely blind-sided by the fog – I had no idea what was going on and thought I’d never get over nicotine. I’ve always been ashamed of the habit and I ninja dipped for 10 years. I knew everyone knew, but I hid it anyways. I was too proud to ask anyone for help… Thankfully, I found you guys here and I came here everyday for months reading and looking at everyone’s comments.

        Sad as it is, I made a deal with myself that if I still felt like crap after a year, I would go back to dipping. The beauty is, I’ve never felt better!! I don’t have cravings, I don’t have symptoms, I don’t need it! I had a dream last night where I was about to dip, knowing that if I did, I would get hooked again. These dreams always end with me caving and getting hooked again. In my dream, I could feel the depression, knowing I undid 363 days of quit. I can’t tell you the relief I get when I wake up knowing I’ve made it another day free of nicotine.

        I am proud to say that I never snapped at my wife and I was able to keep calm knowing it was the addiction trying to run the show. In the last year I’ve passed some tough business certifications, my wife and I had a son, I’m opening my own business, I bench pressed 405 pounds and I’m getting lighter/leaner every week. I ain’t bragging, I’m saying that addiction had held me down for years and I realize now how weak it made me. Since fighting nicotine and addiction and winning those battles (3 days, 20 days, 50 days, etc.), I feel more and more in control of myself and I’m gaining the confidence and determination needed to get stuff done. I ain’t gonna throw it all away for one more dip… Tomorrow is one year and it has been hell at times, especially when those demons tell me one more dip ain’t gonna hurt. Can’t listen to them, it’s a lie!

        I realize I’m rambling, but I’ve done something I didn’t think I could!! God bless everyone who helped put this site together! Thank you for paving a way for me to quit!

        One last note, there’s no magical day when you’re free. I realized months ago that I made it several days without thinking about a dip. You just keep fighting triggers until there aren’t any left. The dream last night reminded me of how I used to be a slave, but now I’m free. It’s on me to chose freedom instead of slavery. I pray that all of you who want to quit, make the same choice. It really is mind-over-matter. The physical symptoms pass pretty quickly, but the mind is where the battle is.

        1. Hey David, congratulations on your first year of quit. It feels great don’t it. I am only 2 days ahead of you so it’s good to hear from someone so close time wise in my quit.
          Keep up the good work.
          DDD

      19. My name is Caleb im 23 and iv been dipping for 4 years. I find it hard to quit. I usually buy a can when i get up put a big dip in. Then chuck it out the window because of the guilt of trying to quit, and i dont know why i do that because the next day its the same way lol. I use nicotine lozenges, they help kinda im suppose to take 1 every 1-2 hrs, i pop in 4 just because the anxiety and the stress not having tobacco sucks… I wanna be able to not use anything. I need your advise how do i just get through the nagging thoughts of “i need tobacco” how do i not stop at the store when im out and about. Any advice would be greatly appreciated

        1. CALEB,

          First, read this:

          The Story of Randy and His Cancer
          KillTheCan LogoThis is the story of Randy as told by KillTheCan.org forum member Kylos. It is being retold / archived here to once again prove that tobacco and nicotine are playing for keeps…

          June 29,2011

          So as I sit here two weeks past my second floor I am studying the irony of the faithful day in November that I quit…..I was driving my car and had just finished my last dip of Copenhagen. I looked over at my buddy Randy who was smoking away at his hand rolled Drum cigs like he always was….I told him I was not going to buy another can of dip. He looked at me like I was some sort of crazy lunatic ready to punch his mother. After he wiped that look off his face he chuckled and asked me why…I looked over and mumbled that I was sick of the shit and I knew deep down it would kill me, and I was ready to quit and if he wanted to live a full life he should too. He smirked and remarked on how long this would last, and he had never seen me without a dip in my face. He rolled another smoke and said “good luck with that”.

          Now over seven months later I am still quit and enjoying my freedom. Randy has not quit….he developed pain in his mouth about five months ago and had a tooth extracted. The pain did not stop with the pulling of the tooth…it increased. He visited the dentist several times and was finally referred to an oral surgeon. That oral surgeon told him that he may have cancer. That “may” have cancer has turned into stage four cancer of the tongue, jaw and throat…including a silver dollar sized tumor on his jaw and it has spread to several lymph nodes. On Friday he will have three inches of his jaw removed and most of his tongue….then radiation and chemo.

          I quit, he did not. I gained freedom and he was given a 26% chance of living five years. I was given a new lease on life and he was given disfigurement and a possible death sentence. Stay quit…..it is life or death and that is the undeniable truth.

          July 2, 2011

          Just a quick update….Randy’s surgery was delayed for a week because he is battling a fever of unknown origin…..his wife told me that his weight has dropped to 126lbs and eating solid food is almost impossible…..sad shit…

          July 4, 2011

          I spoke with Randy and his wife and they are in the process of setting up a fund for Randy at his wife’s credit union…I will let you know as soon as I have information..thanks for your kindness…just to let you know Randy is a painter by trade with little money and no insurance as he has been unable to work. What is most unsettling is the amount of pain this guy is in….he is taking heavy duty narcotics and he is still in unbearable pain, and the worse part is that the pain is only going to get worse with all the surgery. A painful drawn out torture is what tobacco induced cancer gives you, before it takes your life. Stay quit.

          August 18, 2011

          Well I wanted to give an update on Randy….after many delays he finally had a 12 hour surgery today to remove as much cancer from his jaw, tongue and throat as they could…they then dissected the lymph nodes on the left side of his neck that were found to be cancerous. Then to cover the defect left from the removal of the soft pallet and jaw they used a portion of his pectoris (chest) muscle. He will now spend the next week in ICU as he is on a vent to breath and has a feeding tube inserted for at least a month. As soon as he is able they will start radiation and chemo to try and kill this aggressive form of squamous cell carcinoma. That’s a lot of suffering for being an addict to a poison plant. Stay quit.

          September 1, 2011

          So I am updating…Randy has been discharged to home care and I just got back from visiting him at home…..looking at him he could have been Rick Bender http://www.nosnuff.com/bio.html or Gruen von Behrens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns5FrRUaHT0 or Sean Marsee http://oralcancerfoundation.org/people/sean_marsee.htm. His face and neck were a swollen mess and where his peck should be one side is now flat and mangled. One thing I noticed that was truly different about him was his attitude…..receiving all your nourishment through a tube directly into your stomach has a way of changing you I suppose. I asked him if he was quit from tobacco….he told me that tobacco is a loaded gun and he had pulled the trigger one to many times and his will to live had overcome his desire to kill himself with Nicotiana tabacum. He now wants to go on a one man anti-tobacco crusade to anyone who wants to listen (especially children) about what tobacco will do for and to you. But first he must endure 31 days of radiation treatment and pack some weight on his 115lbs body. Stay quit, it is life or death.

          September 22, 2011

          Quick update on Randy……his post surgery progress is improving…..he is able to eat small amounts of soft foods orally and drink some liquids. Most of his nutrition is still done by feeding tube directly to his stomach. One of the harder things is living without a pectoral muscle on his left side and having to hold his head straight and upright with mangled neck muscles so his trach hole will heal properly. His weight has climbed to 135lbs so he will ready to do radiation treatments next week, but first he must have several of his teeth pulled before they BBQ where his jaw was. He will lose the ability to taste and make saliva…possibly permanently. Even after all he has gone through he still craves tobacco……think about that…. Stay quit….it is life or death.

          October 22, 2011

          So I stopped by and saw Randy today. He is halfway through his daily radiation treatments. His face is still a swollen mess and now you can see the telltale signs of radiation burns on the side of his face and neck where the beam of radiation is concentrated on the spot where his jaw and tongue used to be. He can no longer make saliva because of the radiation and his taste buds are quickly being destroyed. He describes the treatment as being BBQ-ed over the course of weeks with the discomfort building slowly into an all out pain fest that 30mg of morphine hardly touches. Compound that with still being fed through a tube to his stomach until late December and I can see that this guy is being tortured to his limit. I thank God every day I am quit. Stay quit it is life and death.

          November 27, 2011

          I wanted to use today(my one year quit anniversary)to update on Randy. He is done with radiation and has come through the experience pretty well. He is still rather weak from the treatments but his weight is holding and he is in good spirits. Now comes the hard part…the waiting….the constant vigilance for signs that the cancer will return….the patience to see if he will be in the 26% that survive for the five years plus after stage four oral cancer. The most important part of that wait is that he is QUIT….for as the doctors have told him any return to tobacco is certain death and he has heeded their warning. I am so thankful to be quit….it is life or death.

          February 22, 2012

          It has been a long time since I gave an update on Randy. I talked with him tonight for the first time in a few weeks and I was given the news that his cancer is back. Was I shocked…no…surprised?….no…I would say saddened would describe my feelings. His cancer has returned on the side of his jaw that was not removed. I think he knows his time is limited now. He is going back for more surgery, radiation and chemo. I want to give him hope but he knows all to well that odds are that he is a dead man. Tobacco does not care….it wants your life. It can’t have mine….I’m quit. Stay quit it’s life or death.

          March 6, 2012

          So an update….Randy had 23 cancerous lymph nodes removed and what’s left of his jaw shaved down in one of the areas where a cancerous node was touching the jaw bone…..now 30 days of radiation and several rounds of chemo It’s looking pretty bad……stay quit it’s life or death.

          April 17, 2012

          Imagine having so much of your face cut out that you have only chemotherapy to kill the cancer that is eating your flesh and bone. You are unable to lie supine because neck muscles have been dissected and your nerves cut so badly that your airway becomes compromised. Unable to be fitted for a radiation blocking mask until healing allows. Only to have the other side of your face irradiated this time in hopes of buring enough of you to kill the malignancy. As the cancer rages rampant. This is what tobacco leaves as it’s legacy. Stay quit it’s life or death.

          June 22, 2012

          Been awhile since I gave an update on Randy. He finished his 28 radiation treatments two weeks ago, and this is four less treatments than the first round, but the radiation was increased for the second round. He also finished his 2 months of chemo to help increase the effectiveness of the radiation. One side effect of the radiation is that he can only open his mouth about 1 inch and must stack tongue depressors and stretch his mouth so that one day he can eat solid food again. He is optimistic that he is cured and in good spirits considering the circumstances and he is tobacco free. Stay quit….it’s life of death.

          July 21, 2012

          I just got word that Randy is in the hospital. He started hemorrhaging out of his mouth and lungs yesterday. This tobacco induced cancer has metastasized and seems immune to radiation and chemo. I played 9 holes of golf with Randy just two weeks ago. Tobacco is poison of the highest degree…….stay quit it’s life or death.

          July 24, 2012

          Quick update. Randy had surgery to stem bleeding from problem areas of his lung….they stopped the bleeding and he has stabilized for now….he’s tough as shit. Stay quit it’s life or death.

          August 18, 2012

          can-cer-iza-tion
          noun
          Definition of CANCERIZATION
          : transformation into cancer or from a normal to a cancerous state. Tobacco causes this…….many times this is irreversible……this is sadly the case with Randy. His cancer has returned and it is inoperable. Hospice is an invaluable gift at times like this, facing a finite time with dignity and comfort is their goal. I hope he will be up for some golf along his journey. Stay quit it’s life or death.

          January 2, 2013

          Randy died last night. His suffering has passed and he is at peace with God. I hope and I know Randy hoped, that people would take this story as motivation to remain tobacco free and strengthen their quit. I would like to thank anyone who has posted thoughts or prayers for Randy, I know they meant a lot to him during his fight against cancer.

          Second, suck it up and quit one day at a time.

        2. Day 98. Last week was wonderful but the past two nights I haven’t been able to sleep. I still think about it everyday and the anxiety and brain fog are still present somedays but it is a whole lot better than it was in the beginning. I’m not very good with technology so I don’t post in the fourms but I want to thank you all for posting on this page because it helps just knowing others are going through it too. Chewie, you are doing a good thing here, so thank you. I wish you all the best and I will be praying for you as I pray for myself.

      20. Day 108 here. Went friday through tuesdays with no withdrawl symptoms.. slept for 9 hours last night. Woke up with the dizzy spells and minor headache today.. Seems to be the pattern now. I get a few good days then days filled with anxiety and dizzy spells. Praying its all gone soon. Love you guys and i couldnt get this far without all of you

        1. Hey Davee, congratulations on your 108 days, it is a great accomplishment. Don’t worry about all your symptoms, they will all start disappearing soon.

      21. 4 years today. Celebrated by riding my bike 33 miles. There is no way i could/would have done that if i were still using nicotine. Ive lost almost 70 pounds since i quit. I was close to 250 when i quit. Im down to 182 now. Sorry im pretty tired tonight after my ride and ma ready to go to sleep lol. Best of luck. Keep up the good fight

      22. I quit November 10, 2018. I stayed quit 326 days. A few weeks ago I posted that I had slipped up and had a dip. I also told everyone that that one dip hadn’t really affected me. I made it out that I was somehow stronger because of it. I was so wrong around three days after that dip I had another one. Then another. I am completely addicted again. All the symptoms that I had when I was quitting I am having even worse now that I started back. My anxiety levels are through the roof and I’m having dizzy spells. The worst part of all this is I did it to myself. I was completely over tobacco and one bad decision and I’m right back at square one. Anyways, I have decided to start over. I threw my can Out and when I wake up tomorrow morning I will be on day one. I feel like somehow it is going to be harder then it was last time. I guess I’ll get back in the gym too. When I quit last year, I also started lifting weights three times a week. That really seemed to help. Actually thinking back I didn’t start having cravings again until I stopped lifting. Anyways if anybody has been thinking about having just one dip please don’t do it. Find something to get your mind off of it. That one dip will lead you right back to a can a day. Ive decided that I will post my thoughts on here every night until I feel like through the worst of it.

        1. Im on day 262 and I feel your pain stay strong man it’s really just us on this site fighting this stupid addiction we got ourselves into just remember, that can is a lie even when it gets hard everything about it is a lie I always keep fake dip around to ease the cravings best of luck to you man your not alone in this fight Im fighting it everyday alongside you!

        2. We all learn one way or another.
          I caved on day 99 and 4 years later i started my quit once again, and it is like you say a lot harder than the first time.
          What really got to me from your post is when you said “When I quit last year” Dude! a whole year down the tubes.
          It really resounded on me because I am on day 361, you see what I mean?

        3. I feel ya. I went a full year, dabbled back in it with a dip here and there, next thing I knew, I was back to dipping regularly for about a month now. So aggravated with myself but like you, threw away my can today and starting back over from square one again.

      23. Preparing my HOF speech since i am on day 101 and i will get back to that later. With that said, i am still dizzy still have weird withdrawls that come and go but the worst is the dizzyness, it feels tough writing a HOF speech at day 100 when i have withdrawl symptoms going on. I have a day or two here where the dizzyness isnt here but most days it is. It makes you go crazy. From what i have read it is not unsual for this to happen at 100 days, i see some guys it lasted 200. I am just pushing through until its all gone then i will write my speech.

        1. Davee – you are doing great. Rest assured this would go away. I had severe issues with depression and anxiety and it is very much better now (day 224). The issues you are having will go down in phases and sooner or later it will be gone completely.

        2. Davee I am 201 days quit and I still deal with the fog and dizziness everyday. It kicked in about 2 hours after I quit and has been with me ever since, you are not alone.

        3. DAVEE,

          Some days you WILL YOURSELF TO WIN!
          The mind and body are one.
          Remember to breathe deeply when anxious; relax the mind and body.

          @Sigman45

      24. Day 223

        Going very strong now.. Anxiety and morning blues have almost disappeared. Up until a few days back, it usually is either anxiety / depression and no cravings or cravings but no anxiety/ depression. For the last few days, I have none :)..
        Going through a few posts, there are few things that really concerns me.. I am not a headmaster to remonstrate so please don’t take offence, I am just expressing what I know.

        I see few posts where fellow quitters after few xxx days try one and feel confident that they won’t get addicted back. There are two problems here:
        1. If you are trying that one dip to get back the occasional “enjoyment”, there is actually none even though you may feel there is some. It is the addiction that is talking to you. If you still equate enjoyment to dipping, you’ll never really be free and there will always be a longing at the back of your mind.
        2. Thinking that by not using the substance for a certain number of days has helped you break the “habit”. Habit is secondary here but addiction is primary. Your brain develops a tolerance neurological circuit that never really goes away even when you are quit. The moment you start ingesting the substance you are starting the process to rekindle all those neuronal pathways. It may or may not make you to immediately go back to old levels but there is always a very high probability that it may in a few days or in a few weeks.

        Remember, we threw this out not because of health, family, friends. All those are secondary. We threw this out because we wanted control of ourselves and we did not want to be a slave. This “habit” is disgusting and there is no enjoyment here.

        Shiva
        2-28-2019

        1. Shiva,

          Very well stated. I am glad to see your progress so far. Keep all of you good habits and power through the rough days. The mind and body are one.

          @Sigman45- 4 years clean but always an addict

        1. Not sure about BP, but anxiety level went through the roof, a trip to the ER & it cost me a few grand. But still nic/tob free…..

      25. Listen guys I need some help here I am on day 98 and the dizzy spells started up again like I am back to my first week. Wtf is going on. I thought I wasn’t in the clear for about 2 weeks. Now some symptoms are back. I have been dizzy all damn day and tired. I am in good health. I slept 10 hours last night and I feel like I slept 3 hours. Is this normal to get these symptoms at day 100?!?

      26. Morning fellers,

        I am a quitter and I quit with ya’ll today. I am on day 347 and not here to tell you it’s easy; all of ya’ll are finding that out. If it was easy anyone could do it.

        We are here to encourage each other and keep accountability, if we fall as Dan O puts it “Get back on” that Hoss and ride, don’t look back. Now, I am not condoning slip ups here, to the contrary, I am saying learn from your mistake.
        I had a major cave on day 99, but I learned what not to do and four years later I painfully started from day 1. This time I passed my day 100, posted my HOF, completed 200 and kept going, passed my 300 and now staring at a one year mark right in the face.

        We may soar farther and farther from our quit date each day, but the thought of returning to the filth is always there.
        Brad, whom had been nicotine free for 10 years caved in recently, now he is on his 46th day. Thanks for straightening our brother Zack, he caved in also nearly completing his first year now he is back into the single digits.

        Brandon is on his first day, brace yourself and hang in there partner, you got this, the first 3 days are the roughest for most of us, but I tell you what, it gets better. There isn’t a bigger opponent than yourself. Only you can defeat yourself in this battle. We know, we been fighting that battle ourselves.

        Now I gotta share what Brother Bradley J. Austin said in his post, he said “it’s either you are pregnant or you are not, you can’t be a little bit” Harsh, but deep philosophy, no pun intended there.
        He is right, you have to be totally committed to your quit or not, no in betweens.

        Your pockets, your family and your health are counting on your decision.

      27. What’s up everyone im sick of dipping and I dont want it to affect my health and life any more. October 3rd today is day 1. Im using patches ans nicotine gum to help me quit and eventually I wony use them either. I can do this and I just want some people to help me stay motivated.

        1. Kudos Brandon, not an easy road. Welcome. A little advice, ditch the gum and patch, go it cold turkey if you can. The key is getting that nic out of your system, won’t happen with gum & patches. Poke around here, a ton of good people & suggestions on how to stay quit. Good luck.

      28. I quit sometime back in June. I don’t remember the exact date but I just woke up and said that I wanted to quit (again). I had quit for about a year but out of the blue just said “just once”. Just once turned into a few months. I haven’t really thought about it since…until I came back to the US a few days ago. Great to see a community where people support each other and share their experiences.

      29. Howdy folks, been away for a little bit, will be 5 years nic/tob free in February. I’m at the point I have zero cravings. I have a few uncracked cans of Hooch for emergencies & some Teaza just because it’s good stuff. Been cruising around here for a few & I see a few people that have slipped up. Whether you stay 100% nic/tob free or you slip up sometimes, climb back on the horse & keep pushing ahead. Don’t let a slip up or 2 make you throw in the towel. You got this people!!!!!

      30. Oh ok. I didn’t really know how that worked the first time I counted up how many days I Had been quit was after I relapsed. It’s not something I really keep up with I just know what day I quit and tried not to think about it.

      31. Hmmm……. I’m not really sure. That’s tough because I don’t want to say I’m back on day one. I definitely don’t feel like I’m back on day one….. I feel like if I say I’m on day one I’m not giving myself credit for all that I’ve accomplished. I guess if someone ask I’ll say I’m still in day 326 but I’ll be sure to explain about my set back. That way I keep myself honest and maybe it’ll help other people that mess up know that it doesn’t have to undo all your hard work Unless you let it

        1. But you aren’t being honest, Zack. And it is the opposite of being helpful to insinuate that you can just have one and it isn’t a big thing, it won’t count against you. You got lucky, but the next guy or gal you “help” may not be. Your day count is the amount of days you have been nicotine free. You were not nicotine free on Monday, so you are now at Day 3. Be honest with yourself. I’m very glad that you threw it out and super glad you got back up on that horse. And you should be very proud of your accomplishment for being clean 326 days. But you need to own up to this cave, because the next “just one” may easily lead you right back to the can. Wish you the best with it.

        2. Nope….day 1 dude! A relapse puts you back to day 1. I had 10 years and relapsed…….I’m on day 45. Man up, accept responsibility and the consequences for your actions, QUIT HARD and move on!

          1. 10 years Brad?

            Geez man, what the hell happened?

            I am only on day 346 and I thought I was getting out of the woods, but after reading your post, seems like we will never be out of the woods from this disgusting addiction.

            1. DDD,

              like any other addicts, you’re never really “out of the woods”. I’ll be 5 years nic/tob free in Feb, I have ZERO want for a dip, none. The last “fake” dip I had was in April on a fishing trip, had a few rubs of Hooch with some beers. I now have a few unopened cans in my rec room. My only go to now is Teaza, just because I like the taste of it, not really needed anymore. BUT, I had shoulder surgery a few years back & I was thiiiiiissss close to breaking down after more than 2 years free of that shit. Maybe it was the Oxy I was taking for pain that fucked up my mind a little. Luckily, I didn’t cave & pressed on. But you always have to be aware that it could always creep up on ya.

              1. Thanks Dan O.
                What I am getting from all of this is that we have to always be alert even though years have gone by since we stopped the daily intake. Zack took one dip and threw it away, he feels like he should not let go of all the days he is been quit, Brad says no way, back to day 1. I get that too, because the day count is from being rid of tobacco.
                The day count only keeps track of time without the Nicotine and with that time it seems like the physical symptoms are less noticeable or perceivable, but the real addiction stays in our minds.

              2. DDD,

                No problem man. I would assume for one’s own mental welfare, caving after a lengthy time quit may mess with you some & get you off your game. But no matter how you look at it, if you fall off the wagon, just jump back on that joker as soon as you can. Detoxing a few dips would be easier than detoxing a few years, or so you’d think? Who knows, I’m just talking out my ass. LOL…..

            2. Thought I had it. Thought that it would be different, that I could dip once and walk away from it…… within 2weeks I was back to 2 tins a day! Long story short. I wish I would have known about KTC years ago. This is an addiction to a drug and needs to be treated as such. I’ve started over but my hope is that someone can learn from my story and save their quit. A cave or a relapse no matter how small resets the count. It’s like being pregnant…you either are or you ain’t. You can’t be a little bit.

            3. I tried to post yesterday but I guess I didn’t do something right? DDD, It’s a long story…..and I now believe that my cave/ relapse happened slowly over a long time. I believe now that the actual dip was the celebration of the cave. I hope that makes sense. That’s why this forum is so important. It seems to keep me centered and focused. My hope is that my story can help someone who might be in a similar situation as I was not to open a tin and take a dip.

      32. I quit using Grizzly 325 days ago. For some reason, the past three days I’ve been having really intense cravings. It’s been like I just quit. Anyways today I have in and took a dip. Within a few minutes, I felt terrible about myself. I immediately got rid of the can I bought, but I’m still having the cravings. I don’t understand I really thought all this was behind me

        1. Not as far along as you but I feel the same. Today is day 131 and I have been feeling almost normal for a while now. Then BAM, last night the anxiety hit me. I don’t have the fog or dizziness anymore but every once in a while I have an intense anxiety battle. I’m able to control it but I do wonder if they will ever go away for good. One thing that I recommend to others is the fake dip. It helped me big time. For me I feel like the spitting and feeling of putting in a dip and having it in my mouth was a huge part of the addiction. The Smokey mountain chew helped me a lot. Also the fact that it’s easy to get at local shell or circle-k gas stations instead of mail order is HUGE.

          1. Yeah I caved. I’m not gonna let that one dip ruin all my progress. It’s weird because I know that after that one dip I should be addicted all over again, but it like it had the opposite affect. I took a dip but it wasn’t like it use to be. This time I hated it. I didn’t like the taste anymore. I didn’t like the way it made me feel either. The cravings I was having the past three days are gone. It’s like I forgot all the reasons I quit but now there’s no more doubt. I don’t want any part of tobacco

            1. Day 345
              The craves come over every once in a while for me too, but thank God, I have not want it enough to break my count up. Last time I caved, I was on day 99 and it took me 4 years to quit again.
              My question is, DO you go back to day 1 again or do you continue with the count up because you did not get hooked on it again.?

              What are you going to do Mr ZACK?

            2. Zack,

              Forget the #’s, just stay quit & press on, a one day cave means nothing. Don’t let no one tell you any different, you climbed back on the horse, good on ya!!!!!

      33. I’m 98 days quit and it’s still super hard. Still experiencing brain fog, a little anxiety, and a weird feeling in my head but fortunately the indigestion has gotten better

      34. 1,000 days quit!!!!!!! It has been a really long time since I have been on here, but it was crucial during my first days/weeks/months! I quit cold turkey Xmas eve just decided I had enough and was done being addicted. It was never easy, but I knew it was for the best. Gum and this site was a savior. You all have it in you to do it, mind over matter push through!

        1. One thousand days, That is pretty cool, congratulations sir. I am on day 341, but climbing my way too. Older brothers like yourself are our inspiration, Well Done!.

          1. LoginFailed,

            It is tough but it will get better, absolutely no doubt about it…… Do whatever steps to help yourself, like others have posted, workout, drink water, buy the nasty fake dips, seeds, BY WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY!!! You can do it, we all quit with you today. ……

      35. Well what truly struck me, I struggled to quit dipping on and off throughout the years. I would throw it away then go back and find it where I left off. However been doing dipping hardcore for 27 years. Last week I went to see a doctor they said I was diagnosed diabetic type 2 ( dietary) . Right now I have been working out twice a day eating healthy and have quit dipping. This is the most amazing thing I felt for all my life being lazy, dipping, stressing, studying, and sleeping all day. However, it is will power I used to play college football. So I know eating right portions, and been brushing my teeth twice or three times a day everyday. It is a will power to overcome this and thi isn’t easy it’s been three weeks now and more to come. If I can means you can too.

        1. SHIVA- aka “The Quitting Machine”
          Good news! Now remember to keep it simple and never ever give in to temptations!

          @Sigman45

      36. i am on day 76, it was very tough and then i had about two weeks of smooth sailing.. I made the mistake and putting a dip in twice just for a few minutes and then stopped and have been fine. All the sudden monday comes along and i have crazy dizzyness all day, headaches and jsut a cloudy brain. Its relentless. Could this be because i relapsed with a couple dips? or is this just still part of the process in healing. I am in a world of pain right now. Its scary to be dizzy and feeling like your head is full of concrete.

        1. If I’m following along properly… you ‘stopped’ dipping 76 days ago and then some time last weekend you had a couple of dip, then come this past Monday you felt like shit again?

          If that’s the case, then there’s a couple of things going on.

          1) you’re not on day 76… the day you dip again you go back to 0.

          2) your dizziness / headache / brain fog is because you’re once again detoxing.

          The Law of Addiction: “Administration of a drug to an addict will cause reestablishment of chemical dependence upon the addictive substance.”
          https://www.killthecan.org/additional-resources/the-law-of-addiction/

          1. I came here when I first quit and would read the stories of others and some of the articles, but as I got further along and dealt with my own journey I stopped, primarily because of stuff like this.

            You do not become completely “re-addicted” just because you slip and have 1 or 2 dips. It is a gradual process of rewiring just like it is to quit. I have quit/failed 3 times and it was never just due to 1 dip. So to say the symptoms described are due to having to detox after 76 days without is complete nonsense and nothing more than stupid propaganda.

            Also, if someone has gone without for 76 days which is difficult to do, and slips and admits their fault they can continue on believing they are quit for 76 days. The thought of having to start over at 0 for a lot of people will be more than enough reason to say “screw it” and start back completely. Whatever helps/works psychologically is what should be used/done not some stupid comment from the “dip police” saying that you have to start over at 0.

            1. You’re more than welcome to your opinion, I certainly won’t tell you you’re wrong.

              What I will say is I’ve seen hundreds, thousands maybe, of people through the years that have 1 or 2 dips that do indeed lead back to their full fledged addiction.

              I’ve also seen a SLEW of people just like David who have 1 or 2 and go into full fledged withdrawal as well.

              I’m not the ‘dip police’ – someone asked my opinion and I gave it. Take it or leave it. *shrug*

            2. Onyourownway – I don’t think “You do not become completely “re-addicted” just because you slip and have 1 or 2 dips. It is a gradual process of rewiring just like it is to quit” is correct.

              I read a research article on re-addiction (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4061804/). Re-addiction may happen in 1 dip, 2-dips or few dips but it will happen much faster than original addiction. The reason it seems to lie with the tolerance circuit developed when we were addicted. This tolerance circuit never really goes away. Brain just puts up a counter mechanism to control cravings once you quit. The moment you put back nicotine in your body, it seems our brain quickly dismantles the counter mechanism as it will disturb homeostasis.

              Point is, the re-addiction can happen very fast, for many it may be just 1 or 2 dips and for few people it may be more than that. It is better to err on the side of caution and not risk going through all these and lose.

              Just my 2 cents.

            3. OYOW-

              I personally lived the dream of thinking that I had the Nicotine Addiction whipped after a 5 year clean run and the death of my FATHER and a few good buddies later …… One dip of Cope and I was hook, line and sinker BEAT AGAIN! About ten years later here I am, FOUR YEARS FREE FROM ALL ADDICTIONS!

              @Sigman45- PS True Story

              1. Sigman, I have the same type of story. No dip for 10 years. I
                1 dip late at night on the job and 2 weeks later I’m back to two tins a day . 1 dip unleashed the mental obsession closely followed by the physical compulsion. If you’re addicted to something you’re either clean or you’re not. It’s kinda like being pregnant, you is or you ain’t! I’m 33 days clean and this time I know that I need to treat this as an addiction not a bad habit.

              2. Oh man, this does not sound good. sigman was 5 years quit and brad austin was 10 years quit? One lousy dip and it was all over? So we really can get re-hooked at any time.
                This is more serious than I thought………..

              3. BRAD AUSTIN,

                I was hooked for a total of approx. 35 years; so if I can so can YOU!

                1) Prepare for daily battles
                2) Win every battle
                3) Win the War
                Repeat

                * Control breathing & you control stress & anxiety

                * Will yourself through the rough ones

                Suggestion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y88zYo0YlOo

                I quit w/ you today- @Sigman45 4 years quit

              4. Sigman, thank you! There is a lot of support and good stuff on this site. I certainly want to be clean more than I want to put that shit in my mouth. I was talking with some fellow quiters about it this morning. I have to remember that my mind is not my friend right now.

      37. Gentlemen! Gentlemen! Chill out, this is a good site, we all come to get help here and it operates in good faith, Take it easy, these guys are trying to help us.

      Leave a Reply

      Back to top button