What To Expect When You Quit Dipping

What To Expect When You Quit DippingSo you want to quit. And you would like to know what it’s like. We’re not going to pull any punches around here, it’s tough. That’s why we’re all here.

Days 1 through 3 – Pure hell. You will walk in the fog. Nothing will seem real. Your brain is wondering where the hell its fix is and it is going to punish you until you come up with it. 72 hours, that’s all you need to get the nicotine out of your system. This is the only time you will go through physical withdrawal. Drink lots of water. Read, post, read and post. Don’t take your anger out on your loved ones. We always tell everyone………Make this quit about YOU. If you quit for your wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, kids, mommy or daddy, you will resent them during this period. Quit for yourself and come in here to rant. Yell at us. Bitch at us. We can take it. We’ve been there.

Days 4 through 20 – Here comes the mind games. The nicotine is out of your system now. You will still have some physical things to deal with.

  • Cravings
  • Irritability,
  • Insomnia
  • Fatigue
  • Inability to Concentrate
  • Headache
  • Sore throat
  • Constipation, gas, stomach pain
  • Dry mouth
  • Sore tongue and/or gums

Yep, you have this to look forward to. Your brain is rewiring itself. It isn’t used to being in an oxygen rich environment. Your body is responding in kind. Everything is a mind game now. All the cravings you have are actually due to triggers. Triggers are events where you are in a situtation you would normally dip in. Mowing the grass, playing poker online, playing golf, working on the car………you get the picture. Keep drinking water, use seeds, the fake stuff, whatever you need to keep the dip out of your mouth. Remember, oral fixation is part of our habit, something you will eventually need to break. For now though, use all the tools you have.

Days 20 – 50 – You’re winning. Life isn’t great, but you probably had a couple of nights where you actually got some sleep. You might notice you’re going to bed earlier than you normally do. Not staying up to get in that last dip. You may notice some sores in your mouth. You’re thinking, “great, I quit dipping and now I have cancer.” You almost certainly don’t. Your mouth is healing itself. Tiny ulcers you’ve had for a long time are healing. We recommend you visit your dentist around the 30 day mark. Don’t be a pansy, just do it. He or she will be very supportive and they can explain the sores much better than we can. Don’t let your guard down. Don’t go out drinking with the fellas or the girls. We also recommend that you don’t drink for at least the first 50 days. Drinking is a huge trigger event and it weakens your resolve.

Days 50 – 70 – Cruise control. Life is really good. You still think about it, but this is good stuff here. Some people may suffer anxiety attacks during or a little before this stage. Some doctors say we dipped to relieve anxiety anyway. Some people can push right through this, others need a little help. Talk to your doctor before you quit or immediately after you quit. They will know what to do. Some give Wellbutrin or Lexapro. Lots of people in the support community take or have taken these medicines and can help you with the affects. Don’t wait till you get to this stage of the game to talk to a doctor. You’ll cruise through this stage much easier if you know how to take care of the anxiety or at least know it’s coming.

Days 70 – 90 – Late term craves, the doldrums, the blahs, the blues. Some people end up feeling like they are right back at day 1. The fog, the haze, the craves. It can be a tough time. You need to let people in your group know this is happening. Time to circle the wagons to get through it. It usually only lasts a few days. Fight through this and make sure your order your Commemorative HOF Knife or Coin.

Days 90 – HOF – Houston, resume the countdown. Enjoy the hell out of these last 10 days. You will be celebrating with your group as you all enter the HOF. It is a great feeling and an accomplishment you should not take lightly. Do something special for yourself and your family. They put up with your sorry ass for the last 90 days and they deserve something too.

100+ Days – Stay vigilant. Use the tools you have, to continue beating back any cravings or urges. You will still experience dip dreams and longings, but you are fully qualified to beat them down. Continue to post roll with your group. Get into the newer groups and help somebody out. Pass it along. Live the dream.

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  1. Day 67
    Special day so I couldn’t pass the opportunity to record it in the digital world.
    Hectic at work so the day flew by.
    Went to the Gym and worked out pretty heavy today.
    Had about 3 cravings today, I have a little trick now, when they hit I start counting, thousand one, thousand 2, thousand three, seems to keep my mind occupied and re-routes the anxiety to a different part of the brain, in other words it just distracts me, before I know it, the craving passes and I continue my life. Weird aint it?, that feeling you get when the craving hits? Someone in here described it as a lonely feeling or as if you lost your best friend, or as if someone dear to you has passed away. Isn’t it horrendous that we associate those feelings to an Inert, carcinogenic piece of shit tobacco.?

    • It is crazy!! Day 80 today for me today, I am officially on cruise control, at least I “feel” like I am. It’s crazy to look back and see how far we and this board who remained quit has come. I fully intend on continuing to chug along with it. It certainly has been a journey, but I have made it, I am alive still and feel good knowing its NOT tobacco that’s going to take my life. Speaking of Life, I will need to get in touch with my Life Insurance company, I am paying Dipper rates!! Whoo-Hoo!!
      Take care D always good interacting with you out here, keep it up, you right on my heels buddy!!

  2. That was me D… And I am glad to read your wonderful words and in fact I am an ardent follower of your blog… You dont know how happy I feel to see your success in this long battle.. You are an inspiration to all of us… and lastly I am really glad to pass through that phase :)

  3. Does using the tobacco-free (Smokey Mountain) chew help with the cravings? As long as I am no longer expose to the tobacco/nicotine….is the fake stuff OK for a subsititue when trying to quit?

    • JKAP – for some people (myself included) the fake dip is a HUGE help. It’s definitley OK to use as a tool in your arsenal. You can find reviews, coupons, links to purcahse, etc. here: http://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/smokeless-alternatives/

    • @JKAP, I am at day 80 today and have used the fake dips religiously to fight cravings. As Chewie says, they definitely help you when craving. The key is to find a brand you enjoy. I am partial to one, there are others who like other ones better. That said, I felt guilty about using them at the start. But was told (here) that it is not cheating and not to feel bad using them. I took the advice and have been free of both nicotine and tobacco since. It’s more of a “placebo” (making your brain think you’re dipping) that helps with the cravings. You really just need to think of it as “they don’t make my [insert brand] anymore, I now have to use this kind”. I used (and still do sometimes in a pinch) the Smokey Mountain Brand, very good alternative. And you can find it at Walmarts through out the US. Most of the others you have to order online, and this Kill The Can has sample coupons for you to try most of them for a discounted price. I’ve tried almost all of them listed on this site. Read the reviews too, this is a very informative website, lots of good stuff all over the place. And of course members that are willing to talk your ear off given the chance, lol!
      Good luck on your quit. I think the fake dip substitutes have come a long way today, you’re sue to find one that “fits”!
      ~JP

  4. BTW, I just ordered my 100 day coin, I will be posting some pictures of it when it gets here. Said it takes a couple weeks, I will be getting it just before my 100 days, won’t open it until though!!
    I really want it to just remind me, daily, of how long it took to get here. And to also remember the website and wonderful members that helped me get there, thanks again!!

  5. Day 12 off of a 39 year habit at least a can a day, the non alcohol induced Drunken FOG is real, BTW, don’t drink real alcohol in the fog, you wont like the outcome. All I can figure is all those brain receptors are looking for anything to latch on to and Will! ,
    I likely have 100 days of this and its not fun, But it is real! Won’t be doing this again, I’m to damn old.

    • Extroitive

      Don’t give up man. I had the fog for at least 30 days, but it lifted, and it seemed when I came out of the fog, things really became a bit easier for me. The anxiety for me was very mild.

      Quitting is a full blown fight, and I took each day as “kill” (nic bitch) or “be killed” ( nic bitch)

      It takes total mental conditioning for the fight: but as each day goes by, momentum does shift to your side: this website is the best tools for you to win this fight:

      My battle brother’s that I have followed over the last 58 days are the pride of this site:

      We are “band of brothers” in the terms of one fight, one goal, help our brothers become victorious !!

      Jj(Jeff)

    • @Extro you have a bit more time dipping than me…I was a 25 year vet myself. I promise, that fog will lift….it was 30-40 days for me. It’s a bitch and the big reason I am done with that shit. Too many good alternatives out there besides tobacco these days. I will choose a herbal dip instead of nicotine laced products moving forward. But I think you will see much improvement very soon, hang in there and check in with us here. Keep up the fight!! ~JP

  6. Awesome, aint it guys?, and we’ve done it without calling roll. I am not saying that that is a bad way of doingt it, BUT, somehow we’ve done it this far.

    • Yes we have! Part of the reason I never did roll call was I couldn’t figure out how to do it and wasn’t shown the way. But I guess showing up here everyday or every other day, has still kept me committed. Don’t plan on ever going back to the can!!!

      • Jayp

        I never could get a roll call either… Sucks because I would have one hell of a HOF speech!

        I use my iPad maybe that’s the reason…

        Jj

  7. Anyway, enough said, tomorrow will be day 69, just like i promised a long time ago, I would reveal the meaning of my stupid stage name. Stage name meaning this forum.. Good Night Ex-Dippers………..

  8. Day 69

    A long time ago when my niece was only a small child, she came in from school and told me that drugs were bad for people, i said yes, that is true.
    She said then why do you do it? I said I do not do drugs.
    She said, yes you do, you use tobacco.
    That, threw me off my rocker. I guess I hadn’t thought about tobacco as a drug, since it is legal and sold at stores and all.

    Anyway i dismissed that talk, the years passed and she might have gotten after me about dipping and how bad it was a couple of times, but I didn’t listen to her after all she was just a little kid.

    One day I excused myself from the family and said I was running to the store, my niece said, what are you getting? some deepyDeeDooo? she said in a comical way, I said yes why?, hmm no reason and ran off to play.

    You get it now?

    She had made peace with my dipping, in her own little way she accepted me with my disgusting habit.
    Had I not been so hard headed, I should have stopped then, but I was not ready.

    They say in this site that if you quit for someone else, it doesn’t work out, it has to come from yourself and no one else.

    A decade later I finally had enough, I stopped dipping, started getting the symptoms everyone else here went through, so I decided to look around for help, i found this place and the rest is history, you guys have read my story from then on.

    I had to pick a name, so that episode in my life came to mind, hence I chose
    DeepyDeeDon’t. (I do not have to make people accept me, when i am doing wrong)

    She was the only one that stood up to me and had the guts to tell me I was doing something wrong, but I couldn’t see it. I thought I was actually cool for doing that disgusting ritual, how wrong I was.

  9. Day 70

    I made it to the next level.

    How does it feel? Well, I do feel a sense of pride, but it is not the end of the road.

    Optimistically speaking, I do feel better for the most part. I estimate a 96 percent of the time during a day, life is normal and free of tobacco cravings, it is that 4% that I have to watch out for. That is the suckiest part of the quit.

    You all take care.

  10. Day 72
    Definitely fellas, if you have a chance to go to the gym and work out like a damned mule, it sure makes you feel a shit lots better, no craving today and I feel like a million bucks.
    The last couple of days been kind of crappy, not entirely bad, but definitely not like today. The crave before and after the gym have entirely dissapeared, the older bros. were right, it takes a little while, but it gets better.

    Later quitters

  11. Today is day 85 for me since the quit began. I just wanted to, I just had my first “dip dream”. First one I had since the quit. The dream had started out that I did not have any fake dip left…so I took a real on, had it in for a few minutes and thought to myself “you’re cheating, you’ll have to restart all over again” I then spit it out and felt guilty about taking it in the first place. I guess this quit must be real fore now, since every ex-dipper I know, told me they had dreams about dipping, which always sound strange to me. Well….I’ve become that I guess.
    Also, I agree with Dippy….work out, it does make you burn off that pent up frustration you have deep within. The other side of that coin, you won’t be packing on the pounds since you will want to be craming stuff in your face with the chew being absent. Keep on keeping on, quitters!

  12. Dam! I really do hate using phones to post. So many errors, looks like a 2nd grader has been posting under my name! All well…..

  13. I quit for a month then fell right back on the wagon. I need to find a better approach any ideas?

    • Needdipgone – have you joined our forums yet? http://forum.killthecan.org/ – with over 21,000 members it’s the best place around to get support and questions answered by people who “get it” cause we’re right there with you.

    • I did the same…I would dip grizzly and it seemed like I would fall back no matter how many times I got a sore throat or sores or blisters.. I couldn’t let go..maybe for a few days then back to it after an situation occurred that seemed to bring stress…it won’t happen over night so first I accepted that fact.. Then I gave up the brand grizzly long cut for the pouches…then to an cheaper brand to try to downgrade the strength.. Kayak but just so happen the brand caused nausea… So believe it or not I kept dipping it with the fact that every time I dipped I would fell sick…until I eventually said to myself I’m tierd of being nauseous just for a dip..its more mental I have found out…so I siked myself up that every time I dipped I would fall sick… I also called the quit line which provided me with patches and guidance to quit…I am not a week in and I often chew on beef jerky during my trigger situations like driving since it all begun 9 yrs ago as a trucker… I also avoid the store I would stop at to purchase the dip..its more mental and different things work for everyone….

  14. 60 days for me! Proud as a peacock that I have stayed the course: yes. It sucked many times….. But. The best feeling is no more splitters everyplace… Anyways. 60 days is awesome

    • Wait, there are 2 Jeffs here. A 60 day jeff and a 305 day Jeff, (Awesome by the way) maybe you guys can post and say your number of days like you did in this post so we can recognize you.

  15. @needdipgone Register on the forums, read everything you can & post roll with your group. I quit only by building accountibility with my quit group. You post a promise not to use nicotine for that 24 hour period & then you keep your word. It’s the easiest thing in the world once you buy into the concept & the group. I text & talk to guys in my quit group every single day & we stay strong together.

    It’s day 305 for me….. No question it works.

  16. Day 78. I had a long drive yesterday and the crave would not go away, it lasted for hours, tried to stay busy after I got home, but the thought of dipping would not leave, In not so many words i almost caved in, I had made piece with it (start dipping again). Somehow I did not do it, i can not give specifics, it just didn’t happen. Maybe i was so tired I fell asleep, but I did have a dream I was dipping, sucks because I really enjoyed it, woke up feeling guilty.
    Don’t know what else to say, this thing got a hold of my dreams now?

  17. I’m really tired of being controlled by a plant I hope someday I can be as strong as all of you. I’ve been lurking on this site for months waiting for just the “right” moment to stop. The idea of stopping forever seems insurmountable. And chewing nicotine gum is like putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound. my mental mineshaft seems to have thousands of workers chipping away on a minute by minute basis. I gotta send them home. I have other addictions too so when I stop one the other increases. Its like they’re intertwined in my subconscious. I haven’t had a chew of tobacco all day today and I’m hoping tomorrow is the same. Gonna stay strong for tonight I just want to make it more than 36 hours this time

  18. We all been there Rick. You’ll get your calling. Until then good luck.

  19. Day #91 for me today. It seems a long time since I had a wad of tobacco in my mouth. I honestly don’t miss the habit. I’ve read a lot of people constantly think about it, I’m thinking I just made peace with myself without the shit. As mentioned, I have been using several of the herbal, fake chews, which have helped with the cravings. Sunflower seeds have been my savior as well. But to be sitting here telling this message board I’m at day 91 is remarkable to me. And I know, if I can get here, as bad a dipper I was, ANYONE can beat this habit. I truly mean that folks. I mean I remember having a walk through in a high school, pre-game for football. We were in the gym and the coaches were going over our assignments on defense. Well….yours truly was dipping and had to spit, so as the coach approached me, I had no choice but to turn myself away and spit in the pocket of my tshirt I was wearing!! Nice eh? And I had to wear that shirt under my shoulder pads for the game….sigh…..the Nasty ass memories of a habit now 91 days behind me! I truly feel people that want to quit need to come here and share stories, this is the best way for all of us to get through it. I read them all folks, keep them coming! 9 days to my 100….and I will continue to 200 and beyond. Keep up the fight!!

  20. Did you make it through the day Rick?

    • Sure did. But I’m hating life right now for sure. The weight of addiction is much heavier than 1.2 grams of tobacco in each can

      • Good Job! Yes, its tough in the very beginning Rick. Yes life sucks, you will be getting frustrated, you will be angry, edgy….then that lifts. Next you will go through a foggy field that lasts (for me) about 30-40 days. Along with it comes some anxiety….which the author said he was told the reason we dipped was to help with our anxiety. But once you make it through that….at least for me, it’s smooth sailing. If you think NOT having a dip is the real issue….try the herbal or fake dips. You can order them out here. Smokey Mountain is in Walmarts across America. Depending on your state, you can find that brand in other retail stores too. And you can order them all out here on line. This website has all their websites listed. All you have to do is ask for help out here….someone will step up, we’re all going through the same stuff as you. Not sure your brand, but you can find one similar to your brand (will not be exact) that can get you by in the tough stretches. You can do it, just reach deep inside and find that inner warrior….we all have it. Keep up your fight! JP

        • right now I’m living minute by minuteI have a lot of inspirationmy wife of three years is expecting in Aprilthat’s one of the biggest reasons for me quitting I never want my child to know that I had such an awful addiction also my father in law battled nicotine addiction for 40 years and the reason he quit chewing is because they went in and cut a piece of his mouth out I really don’t want that for myself I can see the brass ring but at times it is so hard to reach if you guys don’t mind I think I will continue to post here because it makes me feel better to know that somebody out thereknows exactly how I feel

          • Absolutely Rick, if you read back on this blog, you can see that I’ve written almost everyday since I quit, it helped me a lot, if it helps you, then by all means…..Write away.

          • Everyone has their reasons Rick…I have heard for the wife, kids, health….but really, it has to be for “you”. Me, I got sick of being controlled by the shit, the wrinkled cheek tissues, the cost, the spitters, the breath, the teeth, the shit all over my truck, the shit under my nails, on my clothing….just SICK of it! I did it for 25 years, that was enough. Most people I know, that started dipping when I did, either have switched to smoking or just simply quit. They always ask “you still dip?”…yup!
            But as “deepydeedont” says, PLEASE, feel free to post here. We’re all going through or have gone through the same shit Rick, you aren’t alone. I would also suggest joining the forums here. I signed up, but have never really went into them, posted roll call or any of that. But I am committed to my quit and its because I spend some time here on this very page talking about it and to others who come along like you that want to quit. We’re around, stop in an talk with us!
            -JP

  21. Well Hell guys, here is the thing, since I started my quit, (day 80 in 12 minutes) I been here barking around to the four winds how shitty this endeavor has been for me, but as I read more of yall’s stories I know you guys are getting the raw deal as well. By bitching and kicking everyday we’ve been able to dodge the bitch bullet, that’s heroic boys. I said it before and I am saying it now, tough guys chew on that shit, but it takes a Chuck Norris caliber of a dude to quit. We are there quitters, We are freaking there, we reached that level of bad assness (if its a word).
    Now along the way I called out and challenged some tough dudes to join us in the quit and test their toughness, well hell, some did as a matter of fact three bad asses took the challenge that I am aware of. JOEY (THE LIPSKI) CARNS, Brandon and Now Rick are on their way through hell like we all did it. Crazy motherfuckers!! but I applaud them for having the guts to take on the challenge.
    If you are reading this post and got the guts to start the quit, DO IT!! quit pussy footing around and start, START!! I DARE you to go through those three fucking days of Hell.

  22. I started chewing Skoal at 25 I’m now 31 I just saw a video of me from 2007 and the first thing I noticed Is that I didn’t have a chew in becuz I didn’t start yet. I lived a long time without it. Now its tormenting me every minute or so. When I finally kick this for good it will be the single most greatest thing I ever accomplished. To me That’s awesome and extremely pathetic at the same time how hard can it be to not put something in your lip? I’m to the point now where I feel the same if I’m chewing or not chewing-riddled with anxiety. I’m going out on my lunch break to get smokey mountain. Hope it fills that void.

    • I really f****** hate to Bacco I f****** hate it I hate it so f****** bad Hate to say but 90% of me is up at the store buying it and 10% of me is still here on the couch typing this in. Yea I guess I’m raging a little but fuck! Its just a little can! Sorry for the hostility guys but at this exact moment this is how I’m feeling. Thanks so much for your comments deepy jayp you know how much they help. gosh if it weren’t for your comments and me reading them a thousand times today I would have already went to the store

      • Rick
        Jayp and Deepy got me thru the worse parts: I am day 63 and each day I would have a routine : After dinner, and a walk around the block, I would read Deepy and jayp; I called them super hero’s a few weeks back, because they kept me on the straight ; jayp and Deepy were several weeks ahead of me, but it was a map of what I could expect:

        Stay with it Rick. Don’t give up. We are all here for you, kick its ass
        Jj

      • Good Rant Rick let it all out, that’s what I did, get mad at it, curse it, kick its ass. You already taken the hardest step, the first step. Don’t let 1.2 grams of shit take you down. Think about those cancer pictures you saw, that aint no joke, think about the people that would have to see you everyday if that happens to you.
        Drink lots of water dude, every time you get a craving, stuff your face with water, count the seconds to see how long the crave takes, keep your mind occupied until the crave goes away.
        In my case I joined the gym and that has helped me to work out all the bad vibes from the quit, not to mention I developed an increased apetite so it keeps me from gaining too much weight and HELL, I am actually getting a hell of a body. I was thinking the other day, maybe I can find part time job at HardBodies (stripper) Just Kidding of course. But yes, try to stay active and busy and post in here like a mad Shakespeare, that’s what I do, it helps me. Seems like I was able to help Jeff too. You guys are doing great Keep it up.

  23. Well its late here and I’m fiEnding for my last dip of the night except that its been 56 hours Since ny last chew my mind is kinda playing tricks with me so instead of heading to the store I’ll blab instead met my Lady when I was 22 at a bar first thing I noticed she didn’t smoke and was stable and down to earth so we get to talking and she asks me “do you use tobacco?” I at the time I didnt so I said no. I was around plenty of friends that smoked growing up but I kinda thoughtbit smelled gross so I guess it just didn’t take with me. She then says to me “well that’s good because my dad has been struggling with nicotine since he was 17-smoke for 11yrs chewed 2-3 cans a day for 17 Yrs and still struggles with it and I don’t wanna be involved with anybody that uses tobacco” 3yrs into our relationship 2 major things happened- got a job in 08 with friends that dipped and started playing softball a lot. And one day I see my friend pit a dip in (fucking longhorn wintergreen) and say ” hey can I try some?” Figuring well I’ve tried a lot of things and how bad could it be. If only I would have heeded her advice. A couple weeks later another guy at work comes up and said ” hey man heard you had some dip here’s a roll of grizzly mint” of course I took it by the time I was done with it I thought well I guy I’ll go buy some. immediately a can or more a day.. Fast forward 3 years. I’m getting married To this same girl thinking “I’m done chewing I don’t have to do that shit anymore and besides she doesn’t know so its time to quit” wrong! Finally she finds out and we have huge Huge arguments about round and round over and over for months. And one day she came and I fell asleep with a huge lip in probably 1/3 of a can lol and the spit bottle and everything she wakes me up and says “well if your going to put cancer causing agents in your mouth I need to make you aware of what could possibly happen” and that was the night everything changed forever. She googled cancer from dipping.Squamous cell carcinoma tongue turning cancerous gums rotting well that was 2 years ago. Been making half assed attempts ever since. Haunted by those images. My wife has been a rock through all of this. But its time to kick this piece of shit product created by somebody to slowly leech all my money health and will to live. After only 6 and a half years it sucked a lot of stuff out and replaced it with more shit or the need to use tobacco. A vicious cycle. Tomorrow will be an enormous test really enormous I haven’t played a game of ball in 6 years without the round can in my back pocket. Thinking about putting smokey mountain in a Skoal can just not to raise eye brows(like it matters but whatever) jeez just spilled a lot of guts but I didn’t go buy any so I think it helped. Also wanted to say after 6 years I’m going nuts crazy can’t imagine how it was after 25 years must been awful thanks for inspiration

    Rick

    • Rick
      Good post: I was the same way playing golf. Use the fake stuff, it worked for me, all the triggers ( mowing grass, camping, restore old cars) the fake stuff worked,

      I am on day 65 the journey will be hard, but you have all the tools you need to win this fight. I consider my quit a fight, every day is a battle, but it gets better! The fog sucks, just each day, fight the battle, you will win!
      Jeff(jj)

    • Great story Rick….we all have our reasons for starting, quitting too. In ran around with a kid in Junior High….one of the kids that was always in trouble, first to drink, smoke, chew, skip school….the ones your parents were pissed off you gravitated towards. He was the single most influential person that kept the dipp train rolling back then. We had a tree camp that him, me and my younger bro built….bad ass one, probably (and I am not exaggerating) the best one in the county. Wall to wall carpet…insulated… had a shingled roof….and us kids built this dam thing. But this friend of ours would go to stores and get all kinds of chews….Skoal, cope, Kodiak, Hawken, we tried them all. And after finishing them, we would pull the lid, and nail the can around the inside roof of the camp….so we had a ring-lining of cans where the roof and wall met in there…..dam we were cool kids, hahaha! But my habit never really rooted u til those years hanging with that kid. Sad to say, that kid didn’t ever amount to much….obviously. But he got both me and my younger bro on this shit. I quit back in the mid 90’s for a short 6 months, was on a salmon fishing trip and all my buddies were popping cans in the river while we were in waders trying to catch them on the run. I looked around at the 6 guys, 4 of them poppinv time and shook my head and said “toss me one”. All it took. I dipped the rest if the time there and bought a can the minute I returned home. I’ve dipped since then up until 93 days ago. I know now that I am not strong enough to just take 1 dip and be free from it….I doubt anyone is who dealt with addiction to it.
      You’re doing all the right things Rick, Ranting, reaching out, using the fake dips….eventually using the take shit will just be acceptable for you….gotta get use to it. None of this stuff is exactly like my Skoal Wintergreen Long cut…..but I have accepted them as my new dips if I want one. I will gladly chew this stuff all the days of my life than return to that other shit laced with battery acid, flumeldahyde(sp?), lead, nuclear waste and anything other them assholes at Big Tobacco feel it necessary to add to that tin to preserve it. I am done with that shit…and as Deeply said, the more angry younger towards it, the easier it gets! Keep up the fight!!

      And thanks for the kind words again Jeff…..its GREAT to see you out here beating the habits ass!! A big SALUTE to you sir, keep it up, you’re right behind me!

      • Good post jayp. My first dip in 1979 was ” happy days” does anyone remember happy days chew?
        When you mentioned Hawken chew, my flashback to happy days chew

        L8
        Jeff day 67
        (Jj)

        • Happy Days…nope, can say I recall that one…I started probably in the mid 80’s. My first dip was Skoal Fine Cut…grandpas brand in the fishing boat….I was 9-10 years old. From there, its was pretty much exclusively Kodiak until that shit just wore on my lip….shit burnt terrible! Then switched to Long Cut Wintergreen Skoal probably in the mid 90’s and finished with that brand. I dabbled with them all….but Skoal Wintergreen and occasionally the Mint were my fixes. Speaking of Mint….if you haven’t tried the Mint by Triumph (fake dips)…get some! Solid, SOLID mint flavor. Triumph by far is my favorite. Hooch is pretty good, and Smokey Mountain is also good…but the Classic Flavor by Triumph, trumps them all in my opinion. Alright….enough of that advertising shit. I don’t recall the Happy Days….but the Wintergreen Triumph….reminded me A LOT of Hawken. Anyway….back to my work….keep up the good work my friend….we’re all chugging away!!

        • Happy Days? I just googled that and don’t recall seeing those.

          I also started in the mid eighties like Jay P, but unlike him I started with Levi garret the pouch. that damned bag was so huge to carry around so I shifted to the levi garret PLUG, years later I graduated to the big leagues as I call it and started dipping Skoal, that shit right there is what got me hooked.
          The chew was smoother and less addictive I thought at the time, but once I started the Long cut Skoal, it was all over.
          In any case, isn’t it blatantly ironic that those people call that powder from Hell, the “Happy Days”???

          • Found out it was discontinued in the mid 90’s: Wikipedia has happy days part of US tobacco. You tube has the Walt Garrison commercials

            Anyways. Rick. Stay with it dude! We are here for you and anyone that has the balls to quit, I read posts everyday, update us, and use feedback from these veterans, it helped me.

            Tomorrow I am headed to the dentist, It’s been awhile, but fuck it, no more nic, I have saved over $350.00. So I will get my teeth cleaned!

            Jeff
            Day 67

  24. Good Morning fellas, just stopped by to check up on you all.

    Rick you got a game to go to, that will be your test of fire. JayP, Jeff, Myself and about 21 thousand people on this site went through it, its your turn.

    Now I want you to come back here and tell us you stayed quit man, we are counting on you.

    This is war, the platoon has to stay strong, no man is left behind, that is my motto.

    If it helps this is my 81st day of my quit and I Dipped for 29 years.

    • You 3 are a godsend. I’m thankful I’ve started the process after only 6.5 yrs of use. I’ve actually had to audibly say no to myself multiple times today. I see guys walk by with huge chews in carrying around their stokers tubs at work and I start to get all sweaty and shit just thinking about it.especially when I tell them I’m done with tobacco and they wave it in my face. Still can’t believe this stuff is made by humans. As my lady says “they are pRofiting off of your misery” Kudos to you all for kicking it and fighting the addiction after so many years

  25. Hey Rick, the same thing happened to me.

    Don’t expect any mercy from those Bums at work or people you dipped with, they are going to kick you while you are down, they gonna twist you, they gonna punish you so you can cave in. You see they want you in the same misery as they are, secretly they wished they could stop. (Every Dipper thinks that)

    My buds (so called) would dangle that can in front of me too, and take big wads of that shit in front of me, followed by disgusting spits in trash cans or spitoons just to make fun of me.

    Not the best of times in my life during those days, and many times I thought “the Hell with it, I am gonna dip again” but somehow I resisted, that’s why I keep posting and saying you gotta have balls of steel to go through this.

    Jeff and Jay are here also rooting for you they going through their hell too.

    Here is a good note, well actually 2.

    The first one is that the Hell you going through is the physical pain of the Nicotine leaving your body, it eases up after the third day, keep track of your days.

    The second one is, that once those gutless weasels see that you aint caving in and that you are staying quit, they’ll show you their respect, they’ll look at you different, just endure it and watch. I am telling you cause it happened to me.

    Watch, they’ll be coming to you for advise when they are ready, if they do ask you, you’ll know what to do.

    In the mean time, Hang in there, good things are coming.

  26. I didn’t play softball tonight. Got rained out actually kinda happy because I just didn’t wanna deal with the extreme cravings.I really didn’t wanna be around my softball buddies feeling like this. The craving for chew got very bad today.it is like my brain is saying okay dude enough already when are you going to give me what I want. I must have been showing my moods the last couple days because the wifey asked me today if I ever thought about nicotine gum. I told her I’m kinda afraid to reintroduce the drug into my body after everything I read on this website. Yeah the father in law quit chewing by using nicotine gum but he’s still chewing it 12 years later. I really feel that he has just prolonged the torture. I really hope there is light at the end of this tunnel because it feels pretty dark right now. I know its because of the Skoal and all the awful shit they put into. I’ve done lots of research on the whole thing and boy its a greek tragedy what they’ve done to tobacco. They’ve had 100 years to perfect the drug to the point where its highly addictive. I never knew what addiction really felt like until about two years after I had been chewing When I tried to stop and couldn’t for even one day. I’ve tried a lot of things and I mean a lot and chewing tobacco takes the cake 100% very hard to kick when I’m done fighting all this crap(which I acknowledge might take a long time) I would like to speak to youngsters about the dangers of tobacco because really I never thought it would happen to me I never started smoking cigarettes because I always knew how bad they were but the only thing I knew about youChew tobacco was that ball players and tough dudes did it I don’t think enough people know that it’s really bad for you.anyway nicotine gum what do you guys think? I’m pretty sure I know the answer

    • You know Rick, when I quit back in the mid 90’s…I used nicorette gum. I bought a box….when I had an urge, I chewed a piece. Then I started mixing it with Extra Sugar free gum…Wintergreen…like my Skoal. I started to half, then quarter these pieces of gum and mixed them with the gum until it was gone and then just chewed the sugar free gum. I’ll tell ya, my jaws were so dam sore for the 6 months I chewed gum! But I was able to ween of the stuff eventually….6;weeks or so.
      Fast forward my quit this time around….the day I started my quit, I actually had a can of Smokey Mountain. Well…my plan was to mix some regular chew with it, which I did the very first day of my quit. But….I felt guilty about doing it that way. What did it? I was buying my chew from a tobacco outlet store and told the owner I was going to quit. So when I went and bought a can from him after he knew my quit date was that day, I seen the smirk on his face when he turned and pulled a can off his shelf and rang it up. It was almost like the dude was laughing at my addiction! It pissed me off to the point I told myself, I AM DONE WITH THIS SHIT! So…that small gesture by the tobacco store owner, only made my comittment to my quit stronger. I still do pop in there to see him and he always ask how my quits going. I might buy a bag of seeds or some smokey mountain (when my triumph is on order)..but I tell him I am done…and he says “good!!”. And! I still have that can of dip, just one chew taken from it. It sits right next to my fake chews in the cabinet. I don’t even look at it the can anymore. In seriously feel I’ve beat it.
      But to me, my opinion, I wouldn’t use the gum, patch…anything nicotine. It only prolongs your quit. Use this site to talk, sounds like you have a supportive woman, tell her no more nicotine talk. Get a can of the fake shit, some seeds, jerkey…whatever…but don’t prolong your quit with another form of nicotine. I went down that road and it only prolonged the quit. You will get through this, Jeff went through it here with me and Deepy. Those 2 guys been here posting on and off just shortly after my quit. Proud of them guys and the newbies like yourself who got the balls to take a swipe at dropping the habit. Its tough Rick, we know what you’re going through, but I wouldn’t bother with the nic anymore, you’re tougher than the withdraw…I haven’t said this out here….but I have adopted the saying “This too….Shall pass” throughout my quit….its true….it all passes.
      One day at a time and you get there!-JP

  27. yeah I have decided not to use the nicotine gum as much as I’m struggling right now I feel that while that would provide temporary relief it would really just extend the overall problem which is my addiction to nicotine and tobaccoit is funny what you said about the store owner because I had an incident at the tobacco outlet a couple months ago
    I was getting really fed up with the habit back in the summer and really was just going to the store because I felt like I had to like it was required and anyway a you UST representative was in there and it was right after my favorite shoe dropped in price by 50 cents. and he said hey how do you like the new price? I said honest to God I wish I would have never started using your s***** product and how does it feel to make money off of people’s weaknesses? You know he must have heard before because he didn’t even react he ended up walking to the back and he there I guess. I ended up finding a new store to go to. I suppose the ironic thing is that I went into that very same store today to get some fake tool Chew. Tried the Oregon mint snuff texture kinda reminds me of hawken. Seems to work I can spit it. Added a tiny bit of water to juice it up. So I had my last tobacco chew Sunday at 1130pm and its Thursday so like 95.5 hours? Never went this long before. Feels awesome and terrible at the same time I know it will get better just gotta stop beating myself about it.you guys were right this is an all out war. thanks for listening
    Rick

    • I also can’t believe you held onto that can as well jayp! I couldn’t handle that right now. It would burn a hole in my mind like money burns holes in peoples wallets. Gotta big chew of oregon mint snuff in right now. I am finding that if I don’t think about it too much then the placebo effect kinda works.

      • Not sure why I kept it, guess I had intentions to give it to my younger bro….but that would just mean I support the shitty habit, so kept it. But nah….doesn’t bother me a bit to see it in the cabinet. The little warnings “this product may cause mouth cancer” is enough for me to take a pass these days. Its sort of motivating to.look at that cans edge and just think nothing of it. Really….just reminds me of how far I’ve came. As mentioned, I got pissed at the habit, mad at myself it had a hold on me and my life…I’m at peace right now and don’t ever intend on going back. Especially when I remember those first 30-40 days. You get that far Rick, cold turkey, you’ll understand. Just be sure to come back here often and talk to the new guys, it helps them get motivated, but also reminds you of the journey you’ve made. Alright…Midnight in Michigan….time to hit the rack! Good job with the Oregon Mint. That was really all there was available back in the 90’s when I had my first quit….there are several alternatives today that will keepe from ever returning to that other BS. That’s all it is….a placebo…which gets you to tomorrow, keep going!-JP

  28. Damn, you guys are posting some good stuff. King Solomon wisdom Jay and tobacco research rick, awesome stuff.

    I agree with Jay if you choose nicorette or any kind of nicotine product you will just be prolonging your quit Rick. I think you already knew the answer otherwise you wouldn’t have said it yourself.

    Here’s the thing, what you are going through is the physical manifestation of tobacco cessation, this is real; it is the physical side of it, once you get passed that then the psychological part kicks in, in other words you will no longer crave it with your body, but with your mind, this is the habit part. We learned to associate tobacco with things we enjoy doing, so when we do those things the mind says there is something missing here, throw in the dip. That is what we have to fight after what you are going through.

    That is where jay, jeff, myself and thousand of other quitters are going through right now, this guy chewie kept recommending the fake chew and for a while I thought he owned stock in the companies he recommended, but now I know why he does it, dudes like me get to a point when you say, I can not go any further I need something else to keep up the fight, So Yes I ordered some fake stuff to get me by, I can’t be chewing on gum anymore.

    So my advise to you is first go through the physical part, conquer it, get to the fog part, that is next, then you can try staying quit cold turkey like I did or start your fake dip and continue until you no longer need it. It is up to you, for me it worked cold turkey all the way until the Funk stage, but hey, everyone is different.

    The important part is you are tobacco free and planning your freedom however you want.

    Feel free to chime in Jeff , Chewie or any other brother, if you are reading this share some more wisdom with us.

    • Lmao! Deepy….”I thought Chewie had stock in these companies”….I honestly thought this site was just a “fake dip propaganda” place at first glance….but have since learned that’s DEFINITELY, not the case. I’ve used the fake chews since day 1. Actually the place that I bought my tobacco also carried Smokey Mountain…but then I started looking at all the other alternatives and wanted to try them. And minus the energy fake dips out here, I’ve tried about all of them. I have an Elicit one in as I type. But my frequency of how many I take a day….have dramatically dropped from my dipping days. I chewed a can, can and a half a day (depending on stress levels). Now…I’m lucky to break a half of this fake stuff. And I read (written by Chewie I think) something here that said after a while, you just don t need it. Which, based on how my habit has dropped, i can see it happening some day. But that was some funny shit about stock in these fake companies…I had the same idea at first, we can agree, not the case though…funny.

  29. Glad to provide humor in here, it’s good to laugh while we going through this though time.
    I read around a lot of these postings and Hundred Day speeches and it just seemed like wherever a dude would ask about the fake chew, then Chewie jumped right on it and started putting his 2 cents.
    I know he means well now, but for a while there I thought that his motives were not entirely altruistic. To tell you the truth tough, they are providing Incredible free service for all of us.
    I read somewhere that there isn’t a Medical Tobacco cessation program specific for Oral tobacco users because there isn’t a big market for it. Well, I say 20,000 people plus the other dudes that have not come in here seems to me that is a damned good market to start with, isn’t it?
    In fact I think that the tobacco companies should invest in creating this new science, it would look good for them.
    Think about it, “Dirty them up” by consuming the product, this as we all know takes years to do, so they rake in the money, then after you want to quit, go to their programs for cessation and voila you are “clean” and so are your pockets, cha ching. Everybody wins, well they win more than we do, but we walk away with our jaws and faces intact.

    What do you guys think? i know its a hare brained Rant, but it helps me to write guys. Now back to work. Laters Quitters.

  30. By the Way, Rick and JayP, I also kept the last can of snuff and it is still there under the seat of my Jeep,

    I Don’t know why I kept it either. Maybe because I thought that there would be a day when I would cave in and be within easy reach, maybe because I wanted to see if I could have the temptation so near and not do it, I do not know why.

    It aint as ballsy as JayP because he keeps it in plain sight, i don’t know if I could have done that, but mine is there just out of sight, but not out of mind.

    One of these days, I will throw it out, I know I will, and it will be mainly ceremonial really, maybe that is the reason why I kept it, so some day I could proudly throw it away.

  31. I know what you mean. It will be a hell of a ceremony when that day comes! I never got that chance to keep the last can because I finished my last can Sunday night cause of a dentist appointment on tuesday( we all know how shitty they are when your dipping constantly). The initial reason I stopped was because 6 months ago when I went in I had been chewing very heavy. Probably 2 cans a day like if I wasn’t sleeping or eating I was chewing . I had the audicity to spit out my chew in the dentists parking lot on the way in. Well he looks in there and says “your mouth looks exactly like the mouth of a chewer and your cheeks are gray and corrugated” I asked if it could become leukoplakia he said ” that’s exactly what it is! My advice to you would be to stop chewing tobacco” well I quit last Sunday so I didn’t have to hear him say that again! I was struggling hard Monday night( still struggling hard today but getting a little easier) so once again went on KTC and read deeply jayp and Jeff’s posts. I was feeling desperate looking for anything helpful. So I posted how I was feeling and they came to the rescue! Just with a few helpful positive words. None of this “its too hard to quit” or ” you’ll start again tomorrow” or ” just go get some already!” All positive thanks again guys. Good job on seeing it through
    Rick

    • Rick
      Check it out. You are almost 7 days into your quit!!! Congrats!

      Sunday will be one week, you must feel some sort of accomplishment! I remember day 7. I truly remember telling myself that I actually made it a week!

      I was then heck bent on making it to day 14! You can do it…. In a matter of a few weeks, you will be helping a new quitter.

      I must tell you, now that I am at day 68, helping a rookie quitter is very important to me… See I am on a mission to put US smokeless company out of business.

      Jeff

    • Good to see your still committed to your quit Rick. Keep up the fight. As others stated, it will become easier as the days pass and you continue to stay away from the poison. Out on a camping trip and cruising through another day (95) without the shit. Keep up the fight and I will check back in later.
      Jeff…I LOVE your mission!! -JP

  32. Just checking in again. Been awhile. But I remember how important reading these posts were when I first quit. I’m feeling a lot better. Working out and fighting like hell to keep from gaining a bunch of weight.
    The only other pain in the ass at this stage… F-ing boredom, plain and simple.
    Day 49.

    • Coming on here has been a huge help been almost 6 days here 132 hours to be exact. I almost caved a bunch of times at bar last night but rverytime I was close I looked at these posts. I know what’s down that road. Temporary relief but a lifetime deceit lies and suffering. So I keep chewing Oregon mint snuff- the stuff is great!! Except for the green spit lol!

      • I can’t believe you went out drinking and stayed quit, that means you are really serious about it.
        I stayed away from drinking during my first 30 days into my quit because I knew I would cave in, it was too recent and too much for me to handle, but you were able to do it.
        Congratulations and stay away from the Nic Bitch.

      • Rick

        Talk to us,,,, you made it a week!
        Jeff

  33. T-maj I remember you, its been a while, you doing good looks like. Check it out I am on day 83 today.
    Jeff, JayP and myself been helping out a little with a new brother (Rick) that joined almost 7 days ago, he is on his way, like you and us.

    Keep it up dude and don’t be a stranger.

  34. Today was my first day that I felt a hard corp crave… Has friends in for the weekend and went to in and out burger joint ( I live in so cal). I have not had a double Double for almost a year. As soon as I was done… Boom! Wham! I wanted a dip , a big fatty of Copenhagen…

    I did not cave .. But it was the first crave in a while… Day 70. No biggie now. But a few hours ago. Wow

    What happened today shows me I do have the discipline ( or the fear of the fog and day1-3 again) to handle craves, it also shows me the nic bitch can show up any time …

    Anyway. Just needed to share this…

    Jeff

  35. Thanks for Sharing Jeff and glad you were able to fend off the crave. I am completing day 83 and proud to say that today I did not have any cravings all day. Unbelievable, but its true. I hope to have more days like today.

  36. Tonight will be 7 days for me .just jumped a huge hurdle today played my first games of softball in 6 years without my trusty can of death. I’m fighting back waves of sadness though. Like a friend of mine went away forever and is never coming back. Conscious ly I know its just all the triggers and habits coming back. But man today was tough even with the fake snuff. I really hope its get better Cuz today felt like day 3. Fuck tobacco I don’t need it nobody needs it. It just all the shit they put in it to make our brains believe that we “need” it. That we “have” to have it. I’m bigger than 1.2 ounces of manufactured death. Tobacco is the only consumer product that, if used correctly, can kill you.also me being a numbers guy I figured out that 5.5 million people use smokeless tobacco regularly and 21000 on this website have quit and are fighting the urges. We are the .003% that fought hard! Keep fighting it fellas
    Rick

    Way to fight back that craving Jeff you don’t need that shit!

  37. Way to go Rick, your first week. Now lets make it 2.

    On your comment about sadness experienced because of your quit. That is exactly what I experienced and posted around the same time you are posting it. isn’t it insane that we keep that lethal substance in such high regard, to the point as to miss it as though a best friend would have died. I cannot believe the amount of insanity packed with this garbage.

  38. Hi all day 8 here. Never I thought I could make it this far. My brain now realizes that this substance is never coming back and it is really punishing me. I think the word crave doesn’t even come close to describe what I’m feeling. A fellow here at work just cracked a fresh tub of stokers dip next to me and I caught a whiff of it. Man did that get the ball Rollin in my head . a whole lot of “wouldn’t it be nice if” and ” cmon, it’ll make the day go quicker”. Problem is it would just perpetuate my addiction. I feel like I wasted a year of my life thinking about tobacco and trying to quit tobacco. It was November of 2013 that I started thinking really hard about what I was doing to myself. And it took me til 8 days ago to finally kick this bullshit habit. Everybody says 1 day at a time but today for me its 10 minutes a time. Hope I didn’t bring anybody down Cuz I’m just venting but I really hate this goddamn shit.nicotine is a dirty word in my vocabulary I despise it!
    Thanks
    Rick

  39. It’ll start easing down, Rick. You have come a really long way. Look at you, some of the things you achieved in the first week, I could only dream of. Going to a bar, playing softball, be at work (i took off first 6 days :))… I cannot think of getting those done in the very first week.
    Knowingly or unknowingly, you are extinguishing the sub conscious memory of all those associated with nic and it is a wonderful achievement which will help you in the long term.

    Great going, Rick. You are marvellous.

    • Thanks a bunch Shiva I have to convince myself that it is, because I feel like a hot mess today. I read your post from July 23rd and the last half of it hit the nail on the head for me.. I feel like I’m going through the 7 stages of grief/ acceptance. But whatever I’d rather feel like this than pay 3 dollars a day to slowly kill myself.
      Your doing a fine job yourself
      Thanks for helping a quitter and fuck tobacco

  40. Day 85

    I had to stop and get some gas yesterday. I saw them behind the counter, shiny, colorful and alluring.
    My brother was with me so I told him look at them it would be so easy to just order one and pop it right into my lip.
    He said nothing, but I know he is proud of me, he never did this garbage so he don’t know how hard it is to quit it, only what he is seen me go through.

    One good thing happened, I contacted my Insurance as one of you guys did earlier and told them to stop the tobacco users charge. I was so Damned proud of myself. I can look at people in the eye and think, I ain’t a user just like you.

    And to the shit can I say this: You may have knocked me down once, but I aint going down no more!!, it’s my turn and I am coming after you.

  41. I think I posted enough, I am taking a break and give you guys a break from all my stupid shit. You guys take it from here. Good Luck and stay strong.

  42. I’m back guys, had a camping trip I didn’t particularly enjoy, since the weather in Michigan begins to really suck this time of the year, old man winter is peeking around the corner!
    Rick, congrats on making it through a week, those first 3 days are tough, and this is when the nicotine is said to be gone and out of the body…but! My first 30-40 days was pure bullshit. As I mentioned in the past, I dealt with some anxiety in past year and a half…and felt like it was returning…but this wasn’t the case. it was the dam withdraw from this “tuff guy worm dirt” I had been sucking on for the past 25 years. I cannot recall “when” that feeling left, but it was around the 30-40 day mark….you are well on your way, just keep it up, we’re all proud of you here.
    In other news, I am officially in Day 98 currently. YES! Day 98, two more days until the coveted 100 days this site is built around. I have received my 100 day coin, but haven’t opened it yet. If anyone else here plans on getting one, be sure to get the engraved one, I wish I had mine engraved, but will get it engraved later I suppose.
    Deepy, looks like you have only 2 weeks left, glad you’ve been here posting right along with me. I don’t plan on leaving this site after the 100 days, I will still be around to help all you guys get past this horrible addiction. I am glad there is a site like this devoted to folks wanting to quit and just looking for others going through the same thing.
    Jeff, you are too far a long now to even consider caving, looks like Day 73 for you, great Job!
    And Shiva, I am almost certain you started here when I did, how far along are you now? Good to see you on here as well!
    You all have a fan in me, have a great day and keep up the quit!
    -JP

    • That’s awesome dude I can’t imagine making it that far right now. Congratulations are in order. Finishing up day 9 watching world series and of course thinking about chew.anything baseball/softball related is also tobacco related in my mind apparently but i Bought some smokey mountain straight today tastes kinda like Copenhagen straight long cut. Its doin the trick for tonight

  43. Awesome JayP!!! just 2 more days yeah :D… My quit date was on Jun 01st, so I think I am on day 142… My worst was not the first 3 weeks. The first 3 weeks I felt as if recovering from a long illness. My toughest was from 50-70 days..

    Deepy, I am still expecting a day 100 post from you.. Don’t say good bye without a bang :)

  44. Dang it you guys, you made me post. I am not saying goodbye, just taking a break from posting for a couple of days. Still reading yal”s stuff.

  45. It has been 24 hours with out a dip. I have dipped the last 13 years. I really want to shake this habit. The hard part for me is being around people who have dipped for years and nothing has happened to them. But then every year i make myself believe i have cancer. I’m tired of being obsessed with cancer. I wasn’t live as long as i can for my wife and family.

  46. Dang, i just put a dip in after 24 hours without now i have to start over.

    • Hey man just wanted to say don’t give up! You can still throw away that can and start quitting again. Trust me tobacco causes cancer. Nitrosamines are chemical compounds naturally found in tobacco that are on the IARC (international agency for research on cancer)website as a known carcinogen. And that’s just one that is in chew tobacco.you can do it man. I’m only on day 10 so I’m right there with you

      • Thanks Rick, its like my coping mechanism. I’m going through a lot of stress right now and i have ocd real bad. Looking at all the horror stories has caused me to freakout more. The only way to calm down was that shit in a can. I’m so disappointed right now. I’m going to the doctor in the morning.

        • I’ve been there dude.I’m still there, still dealing with other addictions. This is the right place to be if you want to quit this affliction. You hang in there.

          • I went to the Dr and she have different medicine to help my anxiety. I feel better already. I dipped once today out of habit and turned around and spit it out. I’m going to get through this. I have a very busy weekend planned so maybe i can go without thinking about it all weekend. Then by Monday the nicotine should be out of my system. Really excited.

  47. Thanks Rick. When I quit, people used to tell me I couldn’t survive for two weeks. I used to take it with both the hands as I thought I wouldn’t survive for two days :).
    There are two books which helped me immensely in addition to this website, Allen Carr and whyquit (I’ve given the link for whyquit below). I use to read specific chapters depending on the problem I go through then. If I have a physical withdrawal problem, I read chapters relating to them and when I have this mental cravings, then I read them. Anytime, I feel a bit slippery I read these like a bible.

    I was a complex addict, in the sense that I used to smoke ~15 cigs a day + dip ~10 times a day. After several failed attempts with patches, gums, lozenges, I finally settled upon cold turkey. This is the best way (or I would go on to say only way )from my practical experience to be REALLY free from nic.

    In the next few days, you’ll suddenly hit upon a light where you’ll really start to believe you don’t need dip forever. And beyond that point, it is all rewiring memories to stop mind games. As in any relationship, once you start giving it’s due time, the progress will slowly but steadily make you a real quitter. Slowly, the thought to dip fades first minutes, then hours and at my stage it is days. Now, the thought of smoking/dipping doesn’t occur to me for days and even if it occurs, it is more of a flash than a crave.

    Good luck.

    http://whyquit.com/FFN/chapters/FFN_00B_TOC.pdf

    • Thank you for the encouragement it is very wonderful to know that this won’t last forever. I can’t wait to get to the next step. Also good to know I’m not the only complex addict out there, i used to chew a can and a half a day never got into smokes thank goodness, just when i needed a nicotine fix.softball real tough today without tobacco probably because I’ve played 1000 games with tobacco. It is about rewiring the subconscious. I will say though, the amount of pull tobacco and nicotine has is incredible. Its like a woman who just won’t accept you breaking up with her and just keeps calling stalking harassing ya!

  48. Jayp

    Congrats on 100′ awesome job!

    Btw. I was born in Dearborn Michigan. I now live in riverside ca

    Congrats. Deepy is next.

    Jeff

    • Thanks Jeff, I really appreciate that! You’re right, Deepy is next and you better have your ass up here on the first floor right after! We’ll both be waiting for you, helping along the way!!
      Dearborn? No kidding, you made the right choice boating to Cali, lol! It’s getting cold around here this time of the year. I was born and raised in Flint, MI, but since have moved about 30 miles east of that war zone! Small world!! GoBlue?
      Thanks again….just posted my HOF speech, but I will remain around to encourage you and my other Hombre Deepy and others who commit to the quit. You guys get here quick! How’s our boy Rick doing??

  49. I had to start over. How many of y’all fell back into dipping again

    • Sorry to hear that dusty – what happened? How is THIS time going to be different?

      • I talked to my Dr and she put me on medicine to help with the anxiety. Just 8 hours without a dip. I even took my son fishing without dip.

        • Dusty

          It’s a total bitch the first few days, and the best thing you did was tell us you caved. It tells me you are a serious dude and want to quit.

          This time, you take the fight to the nic bitch, she will be around working in you day and night, this time fight that bitch. And you will win.

          Jayp, Deepy, we all went decided to kick the nic bitch ass, and you can do it!

          Jayp hit 100 days, Deepy is not to far behind, I am day 73, read all the post every day, that’s what we did

          Hang tough dude… I will check each day on your progress

          Jeff

  50. Hanging in there jayp.day 11 here! Congrats on the milestone! I play guitar and a long time ago when I was learning how to play I was going to a teacher for awhile and I was complaining about the difficulty of learning a particular piece. My teacher said “anything that’s really worth doing is going to be challenging, if playing guitar was easy than everybody would be a world class guitar player”. Its the same thing with tobacco! That’s why there’s 5 million users of chew and only 21000 on this website. Its difficult-and its worth it.

    • Thanks Rick, I appreciate it! The days will begin to fly by for you after this Fog lifts.
      Before you know it, you will be at Day 50 and beyond!
      True what your guitar teacher said, true with a lot of things in life….if it were easy, everyone would be doing it. People don’t like feeling pain. There are ones that use excuses “I could NEVER do that” or get defeated before even attempting “You have much more will power than me”. The fact of the matter, we’re all equally wired in my opinion, just depends if you are willing to walk through that door and experience some temporary pain. I have managed to peel off 4 lbs of the 17 I gained while quitting this shitty habit. So you see, not only am I battling addiction, I am battling the weight gain that comes with the quit, PAIN! People just don’t want to deal with things like that head on, let Big Tobacco take care of your hunger and your anxiety, it’ll cost you $4-5 a day, but you will be relieved. Screw that! I feel great I am empowered enough to get past both these small obstacles I currently face. And I plan to help as many people I can get through there addiction of this shit. I truly think you have what it takes to join me, Deepy and Jeff to get through this habit. You sound like you are using the tools (fake dips and coming here to rant) to get there, keep up the good work Rick, we’re all proud of you here!
      -JP

    • BTW, I think it was you that said the Smokey Mountain Classic tasted a lot like Cope? I agree and have told many here that I thought it did taste awfully close to Cope. As mentioned, NOTHING will be exactly like your old buddy you carried with you for many years, but the trick is to find one you can live with!

      • Yep that was me. Almost done with sm straight today I go to the big ugly tobacco store to get more.its the only place around here that sells fake chew.its funny there’s like a thousand different kinds of real snuff and one little stand that has the smokey mountain. I’m going to try all the flavors one by one except for pouches I was never a pouch guy. I swear the biggest thing is being able to spit brown. Yeah its gross but its working for me so far.

        • Hahaha…”spit brown”…you nailed it there!!! That is part of it…and a big one. I eat sunflower seeds like crazy too. I never was a fan of them until my buddy (an ex dipper of 12 years) said he used them to quit. They chap the lips up with all the salt and my trigliceroids are probably high….but I run almost 10 miles a week and have a healthy heart…always have *knock on wood*. So….I use them things a lot as well. But I have a “classic” SM in as I type, waiting for my Triumph to arrive, which I see will be in the mail today. I agree…SM is a great alternative. Im not a pouch guy either….but have had the classic and wintergreen. Hahaha….yup, same thing here, a shit load of tobacco at the store and a small ass display of SM…I was told that the tobacco companies distribute this SM too…so I’m sure they don’t want “too” much competition!!

  51. Just drove by my old go to store for chew before I went to work and yeah I thought about stopping there all morning. I kept on driving though. Its all about forming new positive habits and memories! One more skoal can could mean another 5 10 15 years of this terrible habit so while I really want another chew I don’t want 15000 more.
    Day 12

  52. Anybody tired of the mind games yet? Deepy was right this combination of chemicals seems to poke and prod me until it finds my weakest spot. But I’m not buying a can today! I’m tired of thinking about chew!

  53. Howdy Fellas, How is it going? I am back to kick some ass again.

    Well, let’s see, I see Rick is still hanging with us, kick ass dude I knew you could do it.
    Jeff, you still on your way too, awesome, now keep on your quest to put the US tobacco Companies out of business.

    JayP, you the man!!, You completed your 100 days, that’s kick ass right there. Brothers, that’s our mark, that’s the challenge, I’ll be there in 11 days, then Jeff, then Rick.

    Hopefully a stubborn brother that’s been lurking the site and reading upon our Journey away from Hell may want to join us. I hope so, I mean look at Rick he is already out of the Physical cessation symptoms of the withdrawal and into the mind games, screw those!!! they aint real, that’s all they are a big pile of nothing, but you are real, just like Jeff, Jayp, Shiva, myself and the thousands of other brothers going through it.

    The accomplishment of the quit is Very real fellas, Now keep up the good fight, the way i see this group is like a platoon of soldiers armed to the teeth with new weapons we pick up everyday and crawling out of this infernal pit of tobacco spit and fire, where we comfortably stewed for years. Our bodies got so comfortable with all this crud in and out of us that it wants it back, but the real us is actually seeing that hole full of crud and recognizing finally from the distance what we are crawling out of.
    DDD.

  54. Rick

    Mind games, no sleep, sweats, it’s the nic bitch, as you know, your stage is all mental. I found day 4-20 maybe the hardest for me, even though, my fog lasted around 30 days.

    Just keep on getting thru each day, around day 30, it gets so much better:

    Today is day 75, it’s almost hard to believe I have done this, what seemed impossible to quit just a few months ago is now reality:

    Anyone reading this that has not quit, don’t let the fear of how hard it is to quit, to continue shoving a fatty in your lip. The fear should be what could be something terrible.

    Quitting has actually been an experience I enjoyed, after day 30;

    Haha

    To all my quit brothers thanks for helping me get this far!

    Jeff

  55. Day #103 Great Posts Guys! Deepy, thanks for the congrats. It feels awesome (Capital A) to have made it this far and I know you’re on that last flight of stairs to the first floor, we’ll see you here shortly! In the meantime, you need to get here and sound off more, I definitley hear the motivational tone in your posts, guys on this board feed of that “dumb shit” (your words), including me. I think you got a hidden talent in your ability to motivate folks through your writings.
    Rick, I’m proud you’re still with all of us man, keep it up. Yes, them mind games…..they were pretty dam tough. But well worth it when I look back at it. Like your guitar teacher said, if it were easy, everyone would do it. I truly believe you need to find a saying, a creed, to get you through the real hard times….mine were day 1-30 to 40. And my creed was “This too….shall pass”…Deepy mentioned it was King Salomon….he was indeed credited with it, but the saying was quite older. One of my customers said it to me around day 5 and it stuck. Every dam time I had some anxiety pop up or the fog was almost unbearable….I would recite this in my head and shake it off…much, MUCH easier than said than done…but it was yet another tool I adopted to get through it….a creed! Corny? Yes! Effective? Hell yeah!!
    Jeff, your just a few short steps away from Deepy on that staircase to the first floor, proud of you too….it does feel very empowering where you current are right now in your quit….it was for me definitely! I think I was waiting for that fog to pop back up as it said it does above. I think I had one day where I had a few tough moments in the 80 day stretch….but after the living hell I endured in those first 30-40 days….one day was nothing more than a fart in the wind…been there, done that.
    Well men, that was my day 103 rambling. Proud of all you guys, I really am. As I mentioned, you all are the definition of WARRIORS! We’ll be checking back in soon!
    -JP

  56. Today is day 90 in my quit.

    It had to be on a Saturday and I had to be down with allergies or cold, who knows, but it ain’t the mood for celebrating.

    Yesterday though, there was a small gathering at the parents, I announced my quit and how long I had been doing it and they were pretty proud of me. I had mentioned it before, but I guess when its only a few days no one thinks much of it, for me it was a long time though.

    The cravings and all that garbage are still there, but they are getting fewer and longer apart.

    I think what has helped me a little is the fake dip that I ordered, it don’t do the damage like the real stuff and it helps with the craving of having that cud in your lip.

    To be honest, sometime around the funk time, I thought about throwing it all to hell and start dipping, I had made up my mind and posted it too, maybe it was a cry for help, but I was mostly upset with the whole thing and with myself.

    Maybe because when I started the quit, i read about how the craves and the fight never ends, even from people that had been quit for years, so I thought, if the inevitable cannot be stopped then do it until I cant do it no more and then start again, after all I would be stronger and healed by then. Those were the thoughts that haunted me every night.

    Somewhere between the last 15 days or so, the thoughts have become more geared towards a permanent quit, it seems feasible now more than ever. The speeches and comments I read that made me think like that, seem to fade away and now it is more about a battle that I can win, no matter what others say, no matter if the craves persist.

    I remember that night clearly, I posted my last post saying the hell with it all, picked up my keys and got ready to go to the store, pay attention newbies, this can happen to any of us at any time, So I am on my way out, for some reason I really don’t know why, but I decided to check one more time in here, and lo and behold a new guy had replied to my Rant earlier and said that he wanted to become the first one to take on the challenge I had made to some tough hombres to quit.

    So i went ahead and posted all these things about how his posting had made me stronger and made me stop going to the store to buy the deadly junk. Also I think Chewie answered to my rant and casually said “Nah, just keep posting here, you doing good”, so both of these posts allowed me to continue.

    That was the last time I heard from Chewie, i am not sure if its because he thinks I am strong enough and I can do it on my own or if he got pissed cause I made a comment that I had thought he owned stock on the companies he recommended for purchasing fake tobacco. Me and JayP agreed that he does not do it for that reason, he knows that stuff is a tool on the fight against tobacco and Now I know it is true, I ordered some stuff as I mentioned before and it’s helped me with the cravings.
    My old man quit smoking after decades of doing it and it has been decades now that he has been quit, so he knows a little about tobacco cessation. After I told him that I ordered some fake stuff to help me with my quit, he said it would be better if I continued cold turkey, he did it like that. I said I think I understand what you are saying, but if this product has nothing addicting I think I would have no trouble leaving it behind after I am bored with it and it would put me further away into the quit, so I told him, some of us aint as strong as you old timers!, He smiles.

    Sorry for the long post guys.

    • Nice post Deepy, as a recovering nicotine addict your post still motivate me!!!

      Jeff
      Day 76

    • Long post? Great Post Deepy! I just want to say a couple things to you. I don’t consider myself a veteran yet….but the stuff you feel and are wrestling with in your mind are the same I did, mainly about craving the stuff months after you quit. Being at day 90 you are (as listed above) well qualified to kick the cravings ass to the curb. I do feel like I can keep quit now where I am in my quit. Your father and mine share the same thing with smoking. Mine quit about 16 years ago, after decades of smoking. I did lean on him when I was going through that fucking fog. He said “I went through a lot of crazy stuff mentally when I quit cold turkey”. Minus using the fake dips, that do not have nicotine or tobacco in them, I did quit cold turkey too, you as well. And while I will need to deal with not using this fake stuff someday, I again would rather have this habit than a nicotine/tobacco one. You are still quit.
      But let me outline what Chewie did say about fake chews. He said he used them to about day 200 of his quit. Then at or around then, he didn’t feel like he needed them anymore…and said others adopted the same. I used probably a full can a day when I started my quit, I am down to about 3 dips a day of the fake stuff…..so you do begin to taper off the stuff…or use less, I am at least. So I agree with him, use it when you need it and only when you get that “man I wish I could take a dip”. I’m an advocate of the fake dips, so long they are nicotine free….plug away.

      • I did forget to add…..I am now a professional sunflower seed spitter too now. So I’ve adopted another tool to deal with that oral fixation….which has helped me use less fake chew…just thought I’d throw that out there too.

        • Sweet post boys! My new title in my life is” a recovering nicotine addict”. Which is so true for me. I am happy to say, for the most part have kicked some ass, but, I will always need to be on guard for the nic bitch.

          Thanks for you crazy bastards who have helped me to this point. Day 78
          Jayp, deepy(ddd)

          Jeff

      • Jayp
        I use a can of smokey maybe every two weeks, I only take a fake dip on weekends now.. Mowing, yard work, and car shows( restore classic cars for fun)

        Seeds.. Only for about 3 or 4 days into my quit ,,,,,,, For some reason. Carrots was my thing…

        I gained too much weight, but started hiking and swimming… Now I need to drop 15 pounds.

  57. A professional sunflower seed spitter, nice! they need to include it in the Olympics. And Jeff, new title, new life.
    The one i haven’t heard of is Rick, I hope he posts soon so we’ll know he is still with us.

  58. Guys its been a rough weekend terms of tobacco with me. Played ball with an old buddy if mine had not told him about my quit and before I knew it he pulls his can out and throws one in, Asks me if I want one I said naw man I’m trying to get away from that stuff.he said good luck dude I quit every off season and start again every time I hit the diamond. You know that was Saturday morning and I thought about me and him and chewing all weekend Cuz I played about 6 games with the guy chewing at The dugout at the plate in the outfield. It really got to me. As a result played like shit all day thinking about that wirthless shit! I’m so angry at myself for starting this bullshit pointless habit! Soft ball will be over in 5 days then I won’t play for 6 months I’m really hoping I won’t be tempted as much I’m finding out that playing ball is an enormous trigger for me. I’m going to have to really work to get over that. I’m sorry to said boughtva can at the store yesterday cracked it open and before I did that familiar move of stuffing Skoal in my face I sat there for awhile and thought about what this would really mean to buy not just one can but maybev1000 more cans. I threw it out the window and went home. I suppose I wasted 2.89 but possibly saved my life? I don’t know its getting rough around here. I wanna be done with this crap but tired of feeling like shit and constantly focusing on quitting instead of focusing on positive things like a baby due in April.anyway 14 days guys rough days
    Rick

    • Rick

      Just keep thinking about your soon to be baby. I know all the triggers and they are strong, at your stage we all know how hard it is, but to get to day 100 you must keep fighting the nic bitch. I remember about a month ago Deepy posted a small post on how tired he was of quitting .. We all went through it,so can you. Imagine the day your baby is born and your way past 100 days of quit.

      On a side note, my friends ignored my quit at first, when I quit. They would put a fatty in and ask if I was sure I wanted to quit… That’s bullshit, if don’t want to quit or don’t have the stones to quit, at least respect my decision. A true friend would help me by not tempting me. I am an addict. Yes I would want a dip! But I want to live without the bullshit of Copenhagen !

      I do have my brother who is on day 12 now, and my friend who I hope quits soon, both support me.

      So, rick. Fill your lip with smokey mountain and playball, don’t cave brother!!!

      Jeff
      Day 78

  59. Dam proud of you Rick. You got tempted big time.
    If you read my previous posts you’ll see that I was almost there too, I didn’t actually buy the can, but I had my keys ready to go to the store, another time, I had the tobacco under the seat of my jeep, Remember? come on, you the one that told me that when I finally throw it away, it would be mostly ceremonial?

    Yes, it is still there and I know it is there, but weird enough, I don’t think about it, unless it slides off to the side and I tuck it back away from view.

    If your main trigger is playing ball and you only got a few days to go, then consider yourself lucky, that will be out the way and ride it out without that extra trigger.

    For me it was the after meal crave, so as you see, I couldn’t just complete the season of eating. I had to continually deal with that crave.

    Anyway, what I am trying to tell you is that yes, this project has absorbed most of your time and energy, I remember cursing it too, but it does get better. In a few days you’ll start feeling it, thinking it, making peace with the fact you are tobacco free.
    Right now your mind is playing tricks on you. You are trying to rebel against anything that stands on your way of that crud, that’s why they say when you quit for real you have to make it about yourself and no one else otherwise you’ll be resenting them. It’s all you my man, only you can walk that walk, no one can do it for you.

    Think about how much better it will be when the baby comes and you are nicotine free, not only that, but I can bet you a million bucks that your wife will look up to you for standing like a man against your biggest foe, not everyone can do this, just wait dude, you’ll see I tell you because it is happening to me, people see you different.

    Hang in there, come in here and curse the hell out of everything, tell it like it is, rant away, believe it or not, it helps us too in our journey.

    • You know guys silly as it sounds part of the reason I didn’t actually put the chew in yesterday was becuz I didn’t wanna let ya guys down. I also know it was a huge victory because I actually tobacco in mi possession and still didn’t do it. I will say when I opened the can every nicotine receptor in my BODY cried out and stood on end. They knew how close they got to getting their fuel. Like a vampire. Ya know deely the meal thing was and is a huge thing for me I’ve been dealing with by chewing fake stuff. Without romanticizing my old habit I would say have the reason I ate was just to put another chew in. Another phrase I used to say a lot Qwhens the best time to put a chew in? A as soon you take one out. Terrible what I put my gums and teeth through. Small positive note I’m not scraping dead skin out of my cheeks anymore though. That’s definitely a good thing!
      Thanks guys
      Rick

  60. Well hells bells,Shit!! Rick, you are one tough hombre, I keep saying it, because I know what it takes to be where you are now, 2 Freaking weeks completed, awesome!!!. Not only that , but by you saying that you had your meals just so you could have the dip, that tells me you were even more hooked up than I was. I mean I had a bad addiction, but not to the point that it took a back seat to physiological routine. Unbelievable.

    Titanic dude, that is the word to describe the will power you displayed this weekend. To tell you the truth, after reading this for a couple of days and didn’t read your posting I thought for sure you had caved in, but now I know you got them balls of steel. Welcome to the club.

    And Yeah, that’s why I keep chiming that it is really important to keep posting, because that challenge us all to do it too, you know what I mean? If they can do it, I can do it too, you think. Or it would be pretty shitty of me to let these dudes down because they are counting on me too, others think.

    That’s why they have this roll call thing where they go and say I won’t do it today and the whole group is all in tune.

    I think that is great because it works for them, but I also think that posting an everyday, step by step, narration of the life of a quitter on his or her way to nicotine freedom can be very helpful to someone that is contemplating quitting.

    What do you guys think?

  61. Completely agree I gave quitting a shot after months of wandering this website and reading your guys posts. I was ready for a change. I still am. Can’t do this stuff forever so might as well kill it now!
    Day 15
    Rick

  62. I also wanted to say yeah I must have been pretty addicted although I can’t compare to anybody else Cuz I live in my own head haha. I never EVER told myself no when it came tobacco. If I had the slightest desire to chew and knew I could get away with it I would do so. I often chain chewed all day only taking it out to eat just so I could have another one. I was also a complete ninja Dipper
    Except on the ballfield and at work. It got to be a challenge for me to see whether I could get away with it and I did many times. I was like a little kid who would continually eat cookies out of the jar when he was told not to. It was a rush. I was like haha got away with it again. I know now that I killed myself a little each time I fired a chew in. My habits had not gone unnoticed though. I come from a very close family and was at birthday party last week and my 12yr old nephew comes up and says “hey rick what are you still doing here?” You see I would leave about 2 or 3 hours before everyone else would leave so I could have my various fixes otherwise I would turn into a pumpkin. I thought nobody noticed.or cared. But my nephew definitely did. I had been leaving early for so long that it was a shock that I stuck around yes addiction affects other people too , even if they don’t know your addicted. Well I am an addict a fiend and I’ve lied and deceived many people to keep it going. My own mother still doesn’t know. I don’t want her ever know. That’s why I’m here typing this post instead of chewing today. My thoughts and emotions are all over today but I’m happy I made it this far and just wanted to say thanks guys your all a big help.
    Rick

    • Great Job Rick, over 2 weeks in and you’re cruising, that’s awesome!! I wanted to chime in on that “dead skin in your cheek” think, man I am glad I don’t have that anymore too. My Cheeks looked terrible. My dentist used to tell me to switch sides with it, which I did, but man, I chewed so dam much, it didn’t matter. I was definitely part of that “Ninja Dipper” brigade as well. The minute I spit one out, in went another! What a terrible habit! Happy to see you’re not caving and using this site to vent, post and using your fake chews as needed. All these things will get you thru this time. And believe, it WILL get easier, but might get a little harder on you first. Which, based on what you’ve posted here, I see you are dealing with the same shit I and the others have. Keep it up!!
      I certainly agree with where your thoughts are too Deepy. That is one of the main reason I was always here posting, if not everyday, every other. It helps everyone to hear from one another. In a sense, its roll call away from roll call, ya dig? I’ve certainly enjoyed hearing from you and Jeff and now, newbie Rick (though, he’s about to lose this “newbie” tag), always nice to hear how you’re all coming along. Speaking of coming along, you’re in single digits to day 100 Deepy, I’m waiting for you!!
      Way to go Jeff, keep on keeping on, you’re right behind Deepy! I hear ya about people not supporting your quit. Most people are SHOCKED when I tell them I am over a 100 days away from that stuff. They usually reply “You’ve still quit?”….um, yeah! I will say, dippers are proud of the quitters and the quitters still sort of envy and want that wad in their face, at least its the way I see it. I remember when I was still dipping, I actually envied a buddy of mine, who quit over 12 years ago. I just could never figure out how all these guys who dipped with me back in HS and College were able to quit. They just said they were done. Not one of them said it was easy or that they forgot about it…in fact, they still wanted a “plug”.
      So, don’t expect them to fully support you, we all will (as you know), sounds like you have a circle that is pretty supportive, that’s awesome! But secretly, I KNOW these dippers ENVY what you’re doing, I know because I too envied the quitters!
      Be good fellas and keep kicking that cans ass!
      -JP
      Day 105

      • Jayp
        Just read your HOF! Awesome brother, you have been great at helping me, you keep up paying forward, as I plan to do the same!

  63. Jayp

    Awesome post!

    Rick. You are kicking ass! Over two weeks into your quit and you are still marching forward.
    I remember being at two weeks, and actually surprised myself for quitting for two weeks. I just could not believe that I could actually quit. Now on day 78 my thoughts look to day 100, and beyond!!

    Thanks jayp for your post regarding how friends sometimes don’t help on the quit. I think your right, I would almost bet, they wish they could quit.

    Deepy !! Right on dude, your close to 100.

    I remember the first post you did, it was short and sweet, something like. “Day 15 27 yrs” or something like that… I read yours and jayp for several weeks before I ever posted.. Thanks dude

  64. Hey I noticed looking back through the posts that I have mostly talking about myself,bitching and ranting about my situation. You guys all should be (I know you are) very very proud of the fact that you made it this far and are determined tovkeep going. Its awesome and inspiring and gives a guy like me hope that there’s light at the end of the tunnel. You all have chewed at least 4 times as long as I have and kicked that leeching shit out of your lives. Its fucking great! I guess there will be a life after tobacco for me. I can’t wait. I can’t believe I let this habit go as long as it did………

  65. Hell yeah Boys!!, only 8 days away for the big 100. Feels awesome, keep it up guys.
    Here is something that I noticed from a couple of guys in here that I followed during their quit. Seems like When we are doing the shit and nothing is wrong, good health, not too much flack from people about your disgusting habit, good job, good marriage, well, why quit huh? it’s all good after all, they even consider people in here losers or whatever derogatory terms just because they are willing to defend their cause and face it guys, we were all there.

    At some point in our lives something clicks, breaks, snaps, or occurs in our lives that makes you realize you’ve hit rock bottom, you know you are there and you realize you have to get out, some people rage and act superior and never get out, until they humble themselves. Once you come to peace that you are wrong and others are right, that you cannot lie to yourself no more, you truly become humble and start your climb up out of that hole.

    I noticed you guys been reading back on posts, its all there, it’s in mine too, some of us come in here all cocky and become humble along the way and some others come here already humble and ready to start.

    I am thinking now that keeping that humble feeling about this quit is important even after we complete 100 and many other 100 days, because after all it was that feeling that probably saved our lives or at least saved the integrity of our faces.

  66. Hey jayp I know what your saying man. Back in the summer all I could think about was quitting even though I was still chewing constantly.now that I’ve been away for a couple of weeks all I can think about was how nice it was to have a chew. You know the 2 guys that “helped” me start my habit have since quit. The one dude was in my wedding, a really good friend of mine. When I found out that he quit I was kinds mad about it like ” thanks a lot help me get started with tobacco and then give it up a year or 2 later!”.of course now I’m happy about it being that for the last 2 weeks I’m right with him. I really REALLY wish he would have warned me about all the crap that comes with putting dip in your face. Maybe he wanted me to experience the misery as well I don’t know.
    Deepy yes being humble is definitely necessary but sometimes tough to do. For me trying to quit this junk for the last 2 years has made me very humble, its literally the hardest thing I have ever done. Yeah I haven’t done it for 16 days now but llok how quickly it could have went hell? Over the weekend I was sitting in front of the store with my favorite kind of Skoal just staring at the open can. Wondering, contemplating, just sitting g there trying to decide if I want to continue to chew another 5 or 10 years. Its never just one can and it never will be. So here’s my motto that I came up with.
    “One more chew could mean 10000 more chews”
    Does anybody find it ironic that users want to quit and quitters still fantasize about using? That tells me that this stuff is dangerous. There is no happy medium your either doing or not. Today I am not
    Day 16
    Rick

  67. Also was wondering jayp do you or did you ever think about that first chew you took in the river when you were quit for 6 months? I find myself thinking about that first dip I took, how easy it was, it was definitely a choice,my choice to take that first chew. Man I wish I could go back and kick 25yr old ricks ass for making that choice. I’m really pissed at tobacco today.

    • I remember my first dip like it was yesterday – Skoal Wintergreen Banit at my first high school football game when I was 14. (Ironically, given to me by a KTC member!) Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.

      Stupid.

      • My first dip: summer 1979 Littleton Colorado. Happy days chew( look it up. Walt garrison was the spokesman for skoal. Copenhagen and Happy Days chew)

        I quit in 2004for 2 years, stupid me, I will just have just have ” one” We’ll that didn’t turn out well, I was hooked again ,until August 11 2014

        I know already I cannot just have one small dip, I learned that lesson, so if you think you can have one dip… Trust me,,, you can’t have just one

    • Hey Rick, yes, I remember that day. I used to go up north in Michigan, this time of the year when the salmon are running up the river to spawn. Well, here I was, 6 months quit, and probably 3 of the 6 guys we were with start pulling out cans, thumping the the lids (packing the can) then popping in the shit. I guess I just felt like I was strong enough to take one or be a “weekend warrior dipper”…but that isn’t true. Like you, I’m a nicotine addict, I can’t do that shit, quit means quit. I took the dip, then another and another….I got home and couldn’t resist not having one and BOOM! The habit had began again. I’m sorta glad it happened…because now I know, I cannot ever take 1 again if I want to remain a quitter.

  68. that always haunts me.. the first cigarette when I was 23 :(..

  69. There he is, good to hear from you Shiva. Good of you to chime in Bro.

    Rick, one more chew could mean 10,000 more, ain’t that the truth? No happy medium.

    Well, JayP, I’ve been looking for your HOF speech and haven’t been able to find it,

    What did you title it?

    Its getting close to mine too, As soon as I post it. I’ll let you guys know. 93 days, 7 more to go.
    Hot Dam!!!! come on guys You’ll be there next.

  70. Any time Deepy :).. Of late, I have been thinking that I should make it a goal to help as many brothers (& sisters) as possible to help them get out of this damn addiction, the lies this bitch been feeding us and the wonderful life we all had before we fell. If there is something I should feel accomplished, I want to think about all the poor souls I helped saving or to put it more appropriately a part I played in their lives so that they quit….
    It makes me immensely sad about all those people in not very developed part of the world who cannot access these wonderful resources to know the truth.

    • Shiva you are right on with that last statement. Statistics show that households in the poorest countries spend 10% of their annual income on tobacco. Because of increased restrictions here the tobacco companies started targeting poor countries where there isn’t any inf o out on the dangers of tobacco. It is really sad.

  71. Thanks guys, it means a lot.

  72. And thanks to all of you here on this very page…you guys have been a big help and I will be here for all of you and new comers!

  73. That was one hell of a HOF dude, thanks for mentioning us, it actually feels good to be mentioned as a positive influence in anyone’s accomplishment.

    I just got off from work, I had to fill in for some dummy that decided to go on vacation, guess this is what you call a double shift? I was in at 7:30 got out at 11:00 PM, sucked big time, but hey what’s a man got to do?.

    Here is the interesting point though, I remember being in charge of that late shift and of course after finishing up and going home, I would put a big fatty on my way home.

    Well, needless to say I had forgotten about it (The big ass after work crave), since I ain’t done that shift in a long time, but guess what? the Nic Bitch don’t forget, so I got the mother of all craves just a little while ago, and fellows, it made my knees buckle and forced me to remember that I have 3/4 of that can under my seat, all in a matter of seconds.

    It was tough to convince myself not to do it. it almost convinced me actually fellows, I was actually taking a shine to actually just do one, I started thinking “let me see if what the guys say its true” ,
    if I take one it will tun to 10,000 (Rick) rushed through my head.

    Who is going to know? it is dark here, i worked my butt off, I deserve this. then I thought, what about the guys? I could lie to them, but I can not lie to myself, there are people relying on me just like I am relying on them.

    That seemed to halt all my crazy thoughts for a while, stopped for gas and brewsky at the gas station and you know what is in there, but I actually did not think about it anymore, unreal, but somehow the power that a group of people going through this challenge and stay in touch generates seems to be more powerful than the greatest addiction in the world.

    Rick you experienced that remember? JayP, Jeff? I know you guys have felt that surge of power, its weird to describe.

    In my job, sometimes I have to make speeches in front of people, I tell them, I can feel the energy of the room, it is true, I tell them, it’s like the concert rock stars says, you can feel their energy and you reflect it back. Well it’s like that.

    Maybe I am romanticizing too much, but how else can you describe something you can’t measure, see or weigh?

    Anyway that rush of energy I received allowed me to continue quit, thanks guys.

    DDD

    • Way to go man. A group of people I s stronger than one person for sure.we need to be strong because nicotine takes a long time to give up. I hear ya with the crave man I used to chew all day at work so quitting has made my job very mentally taxing, I used to do everything with a chew in. I feel like a fish out of water now. But I know it will get better just gotta keep grinding! Chewing some smokey mountain as I type this. Been doing about a can a day since I quit.

      Jayp awesome speech dude your a helluva guy for sticking around and helping out.

      Jeff thanks for your kind helpful words they help ALOT.
      You guys have provided me with a lot of tools to combat tobacco and I will continue to do so.
      I have sold my soul to tobacco for too long and I’m fighting to get it back.
      99% of people that use tobacco started before they were 18. I guess if you make too adulthood without tobacco you can make an adult decision not to use it. It sucjs you guys started so young because you weren’t fully educated on the dangers. I was one of the dumbasses that started after 18, again I’m really pissef at myself for starting such a terrible habit. I’m not particularly religious but I really think that tobacco was created by the devil. What else could torment you so much yet be so bad for you? I used to drink soda daily til about 3 yes ago now i only have one when we go out to eat. I never think about it any other time. No cravings for soda at all. There’s one big difference between the 2. NICOTINE!
      Day 17
      Rick

    • You guys have helped me just as much as I’ve tried to help you and you both (and now Rick) needed to be mentioned. I’ve spent over 100 days on this page and you guys have been on and off here with me…and I appreciate it. There is definitely a Power to a group of people going through the same shit….I hear you there.
      As Rick says below, a group is stronger than an individual….and we got a nice group of STRONG quitters right here. My hopes is what Shiva mentioned, we get others here and help them through this. I see one guy came, was strong for a day, then hasn’t been back. And I don’t judge, this isn’t easy to do….the struggles that one goes through to dump this habit is well documented right here on this page.
      Thanks for the kind words Rick, Me, DDD and Jeff will be expecting your HOF speech too. It will be here before you know it, 100 days FLYS by.
      As stupid as it sounds, I really never regretted chewing. I didn’t really start (seriously), until I was 15, this was when I was on the Varsity Wrestling team in HS, and EVERYONE did it. And It just became a High School addiction that turned into an adult habit. I knew I would quit someday, just didn’t think it would take as long as it did. But as I mentioned, these fake chew alternatives today, are great. Never again, will I have to go back to the tobacco, if I am in the mood for a chew. They fill the void just fine for me. I don’t even give those “shiny cans behind the counter”, (Deepy) a second look these days, they are not appealing to me any longer. I hope this all comes to you guys as well. And I still have that can of Skoal Wintergreen Long Cut sitting up in my cabinet, next to my Triumph, Holt, Smokey Mountain and Jakes Mint Chew….that thing honestly does not tempt me any. I love the empowerment I have these days!
      JP
      Day 106

  74. Hey guys, thanks for the posts and the site itself. I dipped a can a day for near 10 years and I decided to quit cold turkey recently. I just passed the 72 hour mark, and so far it wasn’t as bad as I thought.

    I understand the desire to prepare people for the truth that this might be an extremely physically and psychologically testing event in their life.

    However, I found the strongest motivation to be the fact that it is nothing I can’t handle. Let’s stop feeling like victims and sorry for ourselves. It’s tobacco, it’s a plant, we can all stop if motivated. Just one man’s opinion.

    • Welcome to the board DK, glad you got through the 72 hours….tell us how you’re doing now. And its not the plant that one is addicted to, its the dam stuff in it….the nicotine that causes the pain and grief. I wish I had quit at the 10 year mark….which I did the first time and it was a little easier back then, I guess. But I went back and ended up with 15 more years on that shit and it wasn’t easy when I quit this time. Let that sink in deep my brother! It sure the hell isn’t easier the second time. And I don’t feel sorry for myself or want others pity, but the support you get from the quitters on this board is something amazing and motivating. Hope to hear more from you and good luck!

    • Kick ass DK :)…. Boom -ba-ya :)

  75. DK, I applaud your quit and your strong will to consider this cessation an easy task.

    Perhaps you are one of the lucky ones that can control the urges of this tobacco both, physically and mentally with such ease. May I ask if this is your first time quitting the dip? and What made you quit?

  76. Right on DK. Kick ass on your quit… There are many kick ass quitters here to cheer you on!!!

  77. Holy shit. I am day 80… Sorry for tooting my own horn! But. This is awesome

    • Day 81 today for you Jeff, 19 more to the first floor, no need to apologize for “tooting your own horn my man, this IS “awesome” shit! Hope you feel like you are on cruise control like I did in this stretch. I’m sure you may get the occasional crave, as I did too, but use your tool box and march on with it. We’ll be back again soon, until then, keep up the fight!
      -JP

  78. Hell yeah Jeff, 80 freaking days, here is the compliment to that, do you realize that in 20 measly days you gonna be making your HOF speech? I was so much more concentrated on getting there that it kinda got me by surprise, I only got 6 days. Ain’t it freaking cool?
    I mean I had to propose and defend my thesis in school to get my degree and that was nerve wrecking and a challenge, but staying off nicotine, dudes, that takes the cake, unbelievable is it not? Well at least that means a lot to me, to some people defending thesis, produce dissertations, jumping out of airplanes or quitting smoking or dipping may not be a big deal, but to me, it is, and I am damned proud I am doing it, I know you guys are proud too.

  79. Day 18 here reading DKs post made me think I’m being a little too negative at times. That probably stems from the fact that I failed at quitting many times in the past and that if I slip one it could be another 5 years before I try again. I think everybody uses or used tobacco for different reasons and quitting will have different effect for each person. Every time I put that junk in my face my self respect went down a notch because I knew it was wrong and kept doing it anyway. Good thing is. Every time I say no it goes back up!

    Clngrats on day 80 Jeff!
    Deepy- almost there!

    • Almost to 3 weeks Rick, great job! How you feeling? Any Brain Fog? I had that shit for a while and is what bugged me the most. And I did have some anxiety as well, had I not experienced it prior to the quit, I wouldn’t had known what anxiety was. But I got through it and here I am today, still dip/fog and mostly anxiety free.
      I don’t think any of the stuff posted out here is negative, we’re all addicts trying to get over using this shit as a crutch in life. It’s tough for sure. But you keep the shit pout of the face and watch your self respect continue to climb, congrats on Day 18, 3 more to the 3 week mark, you’re cruising!
      -JP

      • Well yes lots of fog for sure! But I was up near 2 cans a day when quit so not surprised at all. I was saturated with tobacco and nicotine! Lots of anxiety and the antidote is at the store, just kidding I know better now. I said earlier that softball will be over very soon like next week now and I’ll tell ya trying to hit that moving round ball with a round bat has gotten difficult since I quit! So hopefully when softball starts back up In april I will have gotten used to being tobacco free

        • You will definitely get past all this stuff Rick. I actually didn’t think I would get past it since it lasted for so dam long, believe me! I was at a point where I actually began thinking “so THIS is what life without tobacco feels like” and thought about caving. But I didn’t and kept the course and the shit did lift. You’re will too in time, trust it from someone who went through the same dam thing. Remember….if it were easy, everyone would do it….what you said around day 9-10? It isn’t easy, but gets easier…promise!
          -JP

        • Fog and fatigue was shit for me for first 3 weeks.. I used to come back from work and just lie in couch for God know hours…

          But 50-65 was the most difficult for me…

          Anyway, Rick I play Cricket (something similar to baseball but mostly English :))… and after quit at least for a month or so my performance went down very badly.. But hold on, after couple of months you’ll see your performance will go much better and it can get better than when you used to dip

        • anyway if it helps u.. the fog will start to lift from like 3-4 hours to may be 10-15 mins by around 2 weeks and most cases u’ll be completely free by 3rd week.

          And sometimes around that time, your innerself will realise you are on the right path and will start free from the slavery :)

  80. Let’s talk about all the wonderful things in Life shall we? Has anyone seen my unicorn?
    What the fuck? i am in a really pissy mood today because I woke up with a gigantic crave to chew that fucking tobacco, there I said it. I am still hooked on that shit and it pisses me off like I said, it helps to throw out all that bad energy in here so I can move on, Don’t like my rants, Don’t read them. Want to hear some positive thoughts go join a fucking Yoga Gym.

    Sorry guys, it is not a good day today.

    • You’re an addict, like the rest of us Deepy, what to expect? I guess maybe I have them too, but just don’t have any interest in that shit anymore. I don’t know. The hell I dealt with mostly was the 30-40 day stretch, after that, I was too busy trying all these fake dips out here to even think about that green can of Skoal I used to carry. I guess this goes to show, each of us have a different level of crave for that stuff. Be strong my may Brother, you are just 5 days away from 100, well qualified to beat the shit out of the habit now!
      Hope your day gets better!!
      -JP

    • Right there with ya dude. I completely understand. Kick that poisons ass!

    • I got you… I know.. sometimes.. somedays.. it’s fuck everyone..get lost… but there is always light at the end of tunnel which is to stay as you are warding off the evil :)

    • Semper fi

      USMC ’82-88

  81. I guess I should add that my other addiction seems to “hide” the fog a little but I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody. Its something I’ve struggled with since I was 17. When I get over tobacco I will tackle that one next. Maybe if I hang around here long enough I’ll tell ya guys about it someday. I have A very addictive personality, if my brain likes something then it wants it and thinks about it all the time.

  82. I am just getting a bit curious on your “other” addiction Rick :)

    • Cricket ah? Hit any “Sixer’s lately? Hehe then you know what I’m going through. Since you asked I will tell you. Its marijuana and before you laugh will tell that if I go 24 hours without I turn into a pumpkin. No its not chemically addicting but for me very psychologically addicting. I used to spend 100$ a week before I got married now its like 40$ a week just to stay happy. I was on Zoloft and adderrall all through childhood and when I turned 18 I stopped taking them and started self medicating. About 7 years later added tobacco. Everything except for work and ball get put on hold for it. My wife has completely given up on trying to get me to stop. I know its wrong but knowing is only half the battle. Hope you guys don’t think less of me. Trust me it stopped being fun a long time ago.

  83. Marijuana? Isn’t that stuff basically legal these days?? Hahaha! Seriously though, that stuff from my understanding is all about being a psychological addiction, people are just a bit crabby when stopping it. I wouldn’t even compare a pot “habit” in the same stadium as a nicotine addiction. I am not ashamed to say I’ve dabbled with it myself.
    I’m going to again share some stuff here, I brushed on earlier. A couple years ago, I came down with some anxiety. In the 38 years I was on this earth, stress was something I could shoulder very well. But there were some things that happened that got me worried. Well, the worrying snowballed into full blown anxiety. I had test after test done, because I did not know “what” this shit was. I thought I had a brain tumor, Thyroid issues, Kidney problems, Liver Problems, Heart issues…so many things were being tested, only to come up empty. Finally I went and “talked” to someone, directed by the doctor of course, and after speaking to this “counselor, he indeed thought I had a lot on my plate and said it was anxiety. Great! Now I am a whack-a-doodle?! Hahahaha! I was prescribed a very small dose of Zoloft and I was VERY hesitant on taking the “brain” meds. But I was in a bad spot and started taking (a half dose of what they give a 5 year old) the stuff 2 weeks later. And to be honest, it helped me get back to being grounded, feeling “normal” (whatever the hell normal is). I dropped some weight, started eating healthier, and got back into excising, since all my research said all these things would help me. Well, they did! 9 months later, I told the “counselor” and my doc, I am going to get off this shit. I’m tired of being a slave to the meds. I read the longer you’re on the shit, the harder it is to discontinue. Well, the doc nor this counselor agreed, they said the meds made me feel better (everyone has an agenda) and also said if I got of them, there are no side effects, I call BULLSHIT! Vertigo is a dam side effect! But this lasted for a few weeks and I was off the stuff. I continued my own “medication” Running, lifting and eating healthy and I was about 95% free from the anxiety. Fast Forward to my 40th Bday party in July. I always said I would quit chewing at 40, here it was! I quit the day after my Bday. Around day 5-6 here comes Anxiety again. I didn’t really put 2 and 2 together with the nicotine stop….but it was all to do with it. Had I not experienced the Anxiety before, I wouldn’t of known what that was. But it too, along with the fog finally went away (days 40-60). This year has been “The year of quitting things”. Been tough, no doubt. But back to the marijuana, my golf partner likes to partake, anyway, I tried the stuff back in the early summer. I read lots of people use this for anxiety. Well, obviously not my kind of anxiety!! I felt paranoid as hell! It was really my final time with that stuff, I don’t like to do anything that makes me feel anxiety. But to each their own. I agree, tackle one thing at a time Rick! And about the Zoloft….if I ever need to take it again, I would, just not as long as I did. I can only imagine what side effects are for people that are on high doses and for a long time!
    Sorry about dropping my Biography out here, but when you read what people are up against and have a similar story, I feel it helps.
    -JP

    • Dude I love your stories! Yea anything in moderation is ok . I probably wouldn’t have quit tobacco if I could’ve controlled it but the problem is I just can’t. Two cans a day is def not control and the same thing for the other thing. If I have it I’m doing it all the time and skipping family time friends time. When I was 17 it was like a little seed that now at 31 grew to an enormous tree that I can’t even put my arms around. And for along time tobacco and pot were synonymous for me. If I did one had to do the other yknow? Like drinking and smoking for some people. Its an addiction for me and I’ll probably need some help to put it down. The last time I quit which was 2 years ago I started drinking everyday and I don’t even really like alcohol all that much,but had to fill the void.hell I went to the bar once in the last 3 weeks and had 1 beer. It might sound like I’m a mess but really its just the pot and tobacco and I’m 18 days free of the tobacco! Thanks for the support dudes I’m on this website and especially this page all day reading posts and it is very helpful to me. Free therapy!

  84. Thanks boys !!
    We are all addicts.!!!

    Deepy, even your rants are cool, a fucking yoga gym… Loved it! But, I am glad you told us, we are all with you and we all want you to hit 100. I have no doubts you will hit 100, as I will, craves suck!

    Anyways, you guys hang in there…

  85. Time to round up the boys!!! I was just on the home page “quit dipping today”

    Deepy, jayp,shiva,rick. There are a few newbies that need our support,,,, if you have some time. Check it out..,

    Jeff
    Day 81

  86. Thanks Jeff. I am glad you think I am cool.
    Dude, JayP you got some extra experience in quitting, and Rick, it has to be challenging carrying all that with you, but you can do it you’re bigger than that. Shiva, thanks for commenting here again.

    All right guys, I am back and feeling much better. I had a huge crave this morning and screwed up part of my day, but then it got better.

    Here’s how weird the cravings are getting:

    They are triggered and the feeling of taking that dip goes through the brain.
    At this point that the muscles in the body would respond to this order by the brain in the past, now it stops there and seems like another part of the brain kicks in and starts rationalizing against it. So you see what used to be a mechanical automated response to reach for the can and start packing it, now the brain starts saying or thinking, why? so you can start all over? so you can start the sick feeling you experienced while you were doing it? The nasty brown spots on your shirts? the spit on the side of the jeep and seats? The hiding from people?

    Now, at least part of my brain is fighting that other part that craves it, where as before, it was just automatic, remember? you’d be working on something or mowing the lawn or get on the road to go somewhere? what was the first thing you did?, without even thinking it, you just reached for it, pop it in and away you went didnt you?

    So that’s pretty cool huh?, at least for me, that is how my quit is going.

    And for even more good news, I only have 5 days to go dudes, 95 days down.

    Time to start thinking about my HOF speech. So there you go, another positive thing to look forward to.

    Stay Positive Boys, we are all in this together.

    DDD

  87. Your definitely rewiring your subconscious! Its like you walked the same path through the woods for 20+ years that path is so worn down and now all have of a sudden you made a new path and have to kick through the weeds and cut down trees etc… Its easy to keep walking the same path that’s worn down… Let’s make new trails! Feeling foggy today boys! This shit won’t give up
    Day 19

  88. Rick

    I agree, the fog does suck, but it’s part of the path that you are on. I chewed allot or Copenhagen before my quit, so my fog was around 40 days. I am not trying to freak you out, but it’s the truth for me.

    Your half way to my fog lifting day.. Be strong.

    I remember mine was so bad, I was driving to San Diego to see a customer, half way there, I had no clue why I was going there…

    It’s hard brother. Just keep on the new path

    Jeff
    Day81

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